[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
PGJ wrote:
I agree that for the most part, liberal America doesn’t give a flying F*** about military personnel. They will say “bring the troops home” and all that “we just want the troops to be safe” crap, but when the rubber meets the road, they really don’t care about troop welfare. It’s all about discrediting and criticizing President Bush no matter what he does. Protestors at the D.C. “Peace Protest” were spitting, cursing, and throwing cigarette butts at the military folks who were there as part of the anti-protest. Those hippie ass-holes are all about ANYTHING anti-Bush. They are THE MOST intollerant people in this country. If you don’t believe their agenda you get branded a racist, a sexist, intollerant, ignorant, and GASP fundamentalist. They vandalized the Fox News truck. Come on, libs. Grow up.
Libs do not truly care about the troops. “Bring them home” is just a neat little political slogan to discredit the President. In fact, they actually pitty the troops and consider them like second-class citizens. I have seen MANY liberal references to the military as “cattle”.
I say "STFU! Let me do my job. You shut your pie-hole and let the real men and women of this nation go out and protect your liberties. I volunteered for this. I am capable of making my own decisions. Not everyone thinks like a lib. Some people are actually PROUD of this country and willing to die for it. If you would quit calling us and our boss “murderers and terrorists”, maybe we could instill some confidence in the Iraqis that we are there till the job is done. So, in closing, I say to liberal America, you are not as smart as you think you are. There are people out there who want you dead. They don’t see R or D, they see American. You had 8 years under Clinton to do something about this and did NOTHING. It’s not pretty, and people will die. That’s American history. Americans are willing to die for freedom. Unfortunately, liberals do not feel this way. Liberals have nothing worth fighting for. That is very sad.
Off soapbox.
The problems have nothing to do with being liberal. The vast majority of the American public has no connection to the military therefore they have no idea what it means to make personal sacrifices for the ideals of a nation. The only thing they are familiar with is the rhetoric that comes from politicians who use the military as a personal soapbox–either as a banner for democratic principles or a banner for republican principles. Its all rhetoric and all incorrect in one way or another.
There are many questions that have not been answered from both sides of the table and until then blaming one side over the other is purely therapeutic.
BTW, I share your distaste for the blind “objectionists” though I myself object whole heartedly. The question that needs to be asked is, in the end what do we hope to acheive and is it really achievable? I don’t know.[/quote]
Agreed. It’s not a partisan issue. At all. Both sides are in the wrong here, and they both exploit the idea of the troops to their own advantage.
How is sending troops to a war we don’t need to be in supporting the troops? How is not giving them the proper tools or strategy or planning needed for said war supporting the troops?
It’s a non-partisan fault.
And as for American’s being willing to die for freedom, how the fuck is freedom being threatened in America? In Iraq Israel and the rest of the Middle East, perhaps, freedom is at stake, but here? No. Here, Americans are being threatened. But is the terrorism supported or disabled by starting wars in the Middle East, in countries where, before the war, few terrorists were being bred?
Since 9/11, there has not been a single real threat to American safety on American soil. If their has, I’d love for someone to point it out to me.
The reason there is a disconnection between the military and the people, is how polarized everything in America has become. You want to send our soldiers to war?!?! You don’t support the troops!!! You want to bring our soldiers back and retreat like cowards?1?! You don’t support the troops!
The truth is we has a payed, volunteer army. Not the army of conscripted and often “adopted” soldiers of Rome.
And Rome also feel due to stretching it’s military into the Middle East. Part of the disconnection might have been the distance, something corrected by todays communication and transportation technology.