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Alcohol and steroids

I tried using the search feature but as usual can’t really find the info im looking for.

As everyone knows tonight is st patty’s day…exactly how bad is it to binge drink while taking steroids. I currently take 200mg of prop/420 cyp/200mg/stan per week.

I guess i actually have a few questions. How bad is alcohol on your blood levels while on steroids? Is there any “danger” in drinking? How bad are recreational drugs while on steroids? And lastly, how badly would these things affect progress of a cycle?

thanks in advance

Stanazolol is liver toxic and if you have a ‘weak/damaged’ liver already then a alcohol binge could lead to jaundice or other liver damage symptoms.

Or of you have a perfectly healthy liver it wont cause any harm.

There have been plenty of cases where users of oral steroids have caused serious liver damage from heavy alcohol use. But it isnt a given.

Alcohol and 17-AA steroids are BOTH toxic so now you know the risk - you make your own choices.

Brook

Geez. I really have trouble believing the search engine turned up nothing, when these threads pop up about once a month.

One night of drinking is not going to affect you in any long term manner. Have fun. Get drunk, if that’s what you want to do.

I certainly hope you don’t think your liver is going to spontaneously combust at just the wrong concentration of alcohol and oral AAS. If that is truly a concern, then it is probably not worth posting here, and you should just abstain for that one night and spend the evening reading Joyce, or something.

Or am I wrong?

Don’t let the alcohol fuck up tomorrow’s workout. That would be a shame.

If you are a SERIOUS bodybuilder you already know the answer to this question.

EDIT: Youre 5’9 170 looks like youre not one. Also looks like you shouldnt be taking AAS in the first place.

Being someone who does not drink, i cannot comment with firsthand knowledge, however, in the past i have been forced to take cox 2 inhibitors and paint killers whilst using oral steroids and i personally suffered no ill effect.

I am not even going to hazard a guess at the comparitive liver strain caused by alcohol vs medication, but i will say i took the precaution of using a high dose of milk thistle extract, upping my intake of micro-nutrients, anti-oxidants and live enzymes as well as hydrating better than normal with water and un-concentrated (natural) grapefruit juice.

The best idea of course would be not to drink, but if one must, i think applying the above would certainly be of benefit.

Reguards, Testanabol

A drink or two is no big deal for someone with a healthy liver, but binge drinking isn’t a good idea for someone on winny. Nobody can predict how bad it’s going to be for you personally, though obviously the odds of drinking causing a problem while on cycle will increase each time you do it.

Your already elevated liver enzymes such as ALT, for example, are going to shoot up drastically, along with triglycerides, and healthy measures such as glutathione are going to decrease as glutathione peroxidase activity is heavily impacted.

There have been some good suggestions… staying hydrated, milk thistle. I think I’d personally toss in some NAC and fish oil.

I believe that if you’re serious enough to take AAS, then you have no room for social gatherings that involve drinking. With that I’m off to Bally’s. My version of club hopping. Konichiwa bitches.

-GB

[quote]soontobeIFBB wrote:
If you are a SERIOUS bodybuilder you already know the answer to this question.

EDIT: Youre 5’9 170 looks like youre not one. Also looks like you shouldnt be taking AAS in the first place. [/quote]

I’m a former division one wrestler who now competes in amateur MMA…I don’t take aas for bodybuilding purposes, but more so for recovery purposes.

This is my 4th cycle; so i’m not exactly a “newbie,” but at the same time not an expert by any means which is why I am asking people who are for “constructive” help.

FWIW, i haven’t updated my profile in probably 3 years and I am only 5’8(not sure why i said 5’9), and i weigh 182lbs…all Internet dickswinging aside, i’m more concerned about occasional recreational drug use combined with AAS as i have drank on AAs with no side effects, but wanted to be sure i wasn’t destroying my insides.

Also, i am not taking any oral steroids.

[quote]Cortes wrote:
Geez. I really have trouble believing the search engine turned up nothing, when these threads pop up about once a month.

One night of drinking is not going to affect you in any long term manner. Have fun. Get drunk, if that’s what you want to do.

I certainly hope you don’t think your liver is going to spontaneously combust at just the wrong concentration of alcohol and oral AAS. If that is truly a concern, then it is probably not worth posting here, and you should just abstain for that one night and spend the evening reading Joyce, or something.

Or am I wrong?[/quote]

Pointless trying to be gay and argue on whether or not i’ve used the search but i did…i for some reason cannot ever find what im looking for when i use the T-Nation search feature. The only things that kept popping up were concerned with Protein synthesis and dieting with alcohol.

I don’t at all think my liver is going to spontaneously combust, but was more concerned with how recreational drug use while on steroids would effect my heart/blood levels.

Injectable winstrol (water based I assume) can be consumed orally if one chose to do so. Just because you are injecting it doesn’t mean it wont make two passes through the liver. Winstrol is the only steroid commonly prepared that way though (feel free to correct if I am wrong).

What sort of recs are you talking about? Pain killers? Pot? Speed? Crack?
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[quote]copper0521 wrote:

I don’t at all think my liver is going to spontaneously combust, but was more concerned with how recreational drug use while on steroids would effect my heart/blood levels.

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In that case you need to be more specific.

What drugs? What dosages? How long? How much alcohol? How many days continuously?

A little bit of a bad thing is a little bad.

A little more of a bad thing and, well, you get my drift.

[quote]copper0521 wrote:
Cortes wrote:
Geez. I really have trouble believing the search engine turned up nothing, when these threads pop up about once a month.

One night of drinking is not going to affect you in any long term manner. Have fun. Get drunk, if that’s what you want to do.

I certainly hope you don’t think your liver is going to spontaneously combust at just the wrong concentration of alcohol and oral AAS. If that is truly a concern, then it is probably not worth posting here, and you should just abstain for that one night and spend the evening reading Joyce, or something.

Or am I wrong?

Pointless trying to be gay and argue on whether or not i’ve used the search but i did…i for some reason cannot ever find what im looking for when i use the T-Nation search feature. The only things that kept popping up were concerned with Protein synthesis and dieting with alcohol.

I don’t at all think my liver is going to spontaneously combust, but was more concerned with how recreational drug use while on steroids would effect my heart/blood levels.

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All the liver toxic/hepatoxic or liver/hepatic metabolised drugs (all same difference)-(Inc alcohol) will add up… they all pass through the liver as it is the blood-cleanser organ basically.

You can answer your own question by using wiki and searching all rec and AAS drugs and seeing their excretion method. (Hepa/renal etc…)
Then have a liver function test to see if you are strong in that area - say for example if you are 30 and have binge drunk 2x/week exceeding weekly limits EVERY week you may (or may not) have a damaged liver toi which mixing hepatoxic drugs of any kind will not help.

cant say fairer than that.

Brook

I have to do multiple searches all the time to find the info Im REALLY looking for with this search engine.

I Live in a major college party town and like to partake in socialization downtown at all times of the year. I drink a water in between every drink I have and only drink on saturdays. It works well for me.

My gains are solid and consistent.

I have my cake and eat it too.

Too much cake can be really bad though.

and mr bouncing pecs - how many 17-AA do you take daily?

Another tip for both posters here - while i got much of my knowledge here i expand it from other sites and books.

this isnt the ONLY SITE OR RESOURCE (sorry caps accident)

Brook