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Alan Keyes is Insane but Likeable


I don't really know to explain it, but I've been watching alot of videos and reading about Alan Keyes.

The guy is half, hyper-intelligent, half, bat-shit insane & I don't know I wouldn't put him in Presidential office but he's damn entertaining.

Does anyone else like this psycho?


I really like him. I put him up there with Ron Paul. The kind of guy we probably need to slow down, or even start to reverse current political trends.

Problem is guys (or gals) like that don't get elected. The fact the RP holds office is amazing to me.

Today's election are more about popularity and platitudes than actual common sense policy.

If you think we are heading in the wrong direction fast, guys like Paul and Keys are propably your best bet.

Romney, Rudy, Palin, Jindal, and the rest of them aren't going to shit for us in the long run. They don't have the intellect or the balls.


Yeah, I like him. I'm probably going to catch super flack for that later on in one of these discussions, but you're right--he's half genius and half pyscho crazy.

He'd probably be the type of person you would need to slow down if ever elected because he's so committed. You'd have to slow him down and make him compromise in order to get anything done and keep him from going off the deep end, but he could definitely change fiscal policy here.


Very articulate but way too religious. He is as religious as it is possible to get.


I'd vote for him in a heartbeat


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No shit. How about John Locke and Isaac Newton. The fathers of the "enlightenment" weren't always looked upon favorably. People certianly came around.


It's too bad we can't have a government where Congressmen are intelligent people who meet and seriously/passionately discuss ideas and actually can and do change their positions according to what seems to be coming of the debate.

In a situation like that having an Alan Keyes involved, putting out and arguing his positions, would be a plus. Regardless that he is overall eccentric.

In reality, the intellectual merits (if any) of what one Congressman or Senator has to say have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with what any of the rest of them decide to do.

(At least, IMO.)

So having a Keyes present would accomplish nothing.


100% correct. If anyone disagrees with this, I suggest a week or so of watching nothing But CSPAN. It is quite depressing that the bar has fallen so low for those that we elect to run our country.


The Hollow Men

T.S. Eliot

[i]Mistah Kurtz -- he dead.

        A penny for the Old Guy[/i]


We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats' feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar

Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;

Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us -- if at all -- not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men.


Eyes I dare not meet in dreams
In death's dream kingdom
These do not appear:
There, the eyes are
Sunlight on a broken column
There, is a tree swinging
And voices are
In the wind's singing
More distant and more solemn
Than a fading star.

Let me be no nearer
In death's dream kingdom
Let me also wear
Such deliberate disguises
Rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves
In a field
Behaving as the wind behaves
No nearer --

Not that final meeting
In the twilight kingdom


This is the dead land
This is cactus land
Here the stone images
Are raised, here they receive
The supplication of a dead man's hand
Under the twinkle of a fading star.

Is it like this
In death's other kingdom
Waking alone
At the hour when we are
Trembling with tenderness
Lips that would kiss
Form prayers to broken stone.


The eyes are not here
There are no eyes here
In this valley of dying stars
In this hollow valley
This broken jaw of our lost kingdoms

In this last of meeting places
We grope together
And avoid speech
Gathered on this beach of the tumid river

Sightless, unless
The eyes reappear
As the perpetual star
Multifoliate rose
Of death's twilight kingdom
The hope only
Of empty men.


Here we go round the prickly pear
Prickly pear prickly pear
Here we go round the prickly pear
At five o'clock in the morning.

Between the idea
And the reality
Between the motion
And the act
Falls the Shadow

                [i]For Thine is the Kingdom[/i]

Between the conception
And the creation
Between the emotion
And the response
Falls the Shadow

                [i]Life is very long[/i]

Between the desire
And the spasm
Between the potency
And the existence
Between the essence
And the descent
Falls the Shadow

                [i]For Thine is the Kingdom[/i]

For Thine is
Life is
For Thine is the

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.


We seem to be having our biggest problems when our presidents set out to accomplish a big Something, so Keyes accomplishing nothing >> {someone else for president} accomplishing Something.

Didn't Obama somehow punk Keyes in an Illinois senate race?


This is true and like the other guy said I learned this in my first 15 minutes of watching C-Span years ago. Floor speeches are aimed at constituents, not fellow legislators.

However, Alan Keyes is a rock ribbed believer in the founding principles of this nation who sees his blackness as largely incidental to his being a man or an American. He gets it on so many vital levels and it's probably that very fact that will prevent him from ever going anywhere in the national politics of this country.


I was really addressing the more general matter and only in the context I was addressing, rather than whether a can't-get-Congress-to-go-along-with-anything President might not be a better situation presently than the current one.

I believe it was Obama's potential Democrat opponent that was "punked." Keyes lost from straight out being unpopular, as well as being perceived as being a carpet-bagger hauled in at the last moment.