[quote]AZMojo wrote:
snipeout wrote:
AZMojo wrote:
hedo wrote:
If you threaten lethal force then lethal force is justified in being used against you and the other guy may just be better at applying it.
That may be true on the field of war, but among the civilian population it simply isn’t.
If somebody tells a cop that he’s “going to blow his brains out” but doesn’t have a weapon, the cop doesn’t get to shoot him just because he made a threat of lethal force. There actually has to be some sort of evidence that he can imminently carry out that threat.
That may be the case here, but your point is still incorrect.
Not true, if someone tells me they are going to “blow my brains out” I can escalate my levels of force to subdue and apprehend him. If he makes said claim and reaches into a pocket or his belt line he is probably gonna catch quite a few hollow point rounds in the chest. As for the incident, just because someone is shouting “my husband” and “he is mentally ill” doesn’t mean its not a cover for a terrorist attack. As I suspect these Air Marshalls will be run through the grinder.
What do you mean, not true? In your town, if somebody threatens you, you can shoot them? No wonder they make you wait so long for your gun permit. Of course a shooting is justified if somebody’s life is in danger, but not necessarily because somebody threatens it. There is a difference.
As far as being run through the grinder goes; maybe the shooting was legit and justified, but since there wasn’t an ACTUAL threat he should be put through the “grinder” to determine that, because at the end of the day an unarmed man was killed. Or, do you think that him simply stating he percieved a threat is good enough? Don’t police shootings in your jurisdiction get investigated?
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In this situation the air marshalls perceived a real threat. Waiting to see if the guy was reaching for a bomb or detonation device could have cost numerous lives. 2 years ago a depressed 18 year old kid came toward our duty officer and reached into his belt line, the captain quickly pulled his weapon and shot the kid 3 times. This 18 year old had no gun, what you don’t seem to understand is that police officers don’t have to wait to see a gun.
All I have to do is convince IA that in the given situation my life and the life of people around me was in danger and he was reaching for a weapon(ie bomb or gun).
Why don’t you run a little test AZ, accost a police officer on the street, tell him “I’m goiong to kill you” then reach in to your belt line. In this state we don’t have to wait to be shot to shoot and once shot at we are not required to retreat.