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AI-related Question / Oxandrolone vs. Fakes


#1

Hi,
long-time lurker, first post.

First of all: great forum.
The stickies, especially the SERM and AI Sticky, did clear up some misconceptions I had.

I'm a bit between a rock and a hard place: I've got a photo shoot coming up in about 8 weeks and got some Oxandrolone to assist in my prep.

Some stats:
- been lifting for the better part of a decade
- 210 lbs @ 5'7
- in good shape, bf-wise (abs visible, 'cuts' in my quads, but I still have a ways to go)
- first cycle

Here's how I'd imagine I'd run the Oxa:
- 30 mg ed (it's about assistance in a hypocaloric diet, mainly) for 5 weeks
- milk thistle
- omegas
- hypocaloric diet (duh!)
- Tamoxifen for PCT

Now, my problem:
I'm not sure if the Oxa is legit.
Since I've heard stories about how dbols are sometimes sold as Oxas, I'm not keen on getting gyno. Problem is, though: try as I might, I couldn't get some decent AI like ADex.

Questions:
1. are there any pointers - before the potential onset of gyno - early in the cycle where I might tell I've popped dbols instead of Oxas?

  1. would something like ATD work as an AI?

  2. would on-cycle ATD compete with Oxa?

  3. would the outdated practice of using Tamoxifen on-cycle be a viable option in this scenario or does Tamoxifen also compete with Oxa?

Again: I've read the stickies, but couldn't answer the aforementioned questions myself.
Appreciate any input you might have.


#2

Anyone? :-/


#3

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#4

Appreciate your input, BBB!

I might be willing to up the dosage if I knew for sure the Oxandrolone was legit.
From what I've read about dbol I deem it even pretty scary to run 30 mg ed.

It's supposed to be an AI:


Of course, had I been able to get Arimidex, I wouldn't bother with ATD.

Spoken out of hyberbole or can dbol effect those symptoms that fast?


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#6

Thanks, BBB.

Damn, I'm really angry about the var possibly not being legit and maybe being dbol.
Wasn't easy to get that.
I wish there was some kind of test I could easily have done on it.

Bottom line: I'm not going to risk taking dbol without getting me some arimidex. Should I fail in procuring arimidex, the 'var' will have to wait until I get some. Meanwhile, I'm going to prepare for the shoot without assistance.


#7

Ive heard of some var being cut with m1t, too