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Ahmadinjad Get's It

The leaders in the part of the world that hates the US laughs at its government’s impotence and anxiously awaits its collapse.

[i]During interviews ahead of his speech Tuesday, Ahmadinejad blamed U.S. military interventions around the world in part for the collapse of global financial markets. He said the campaign against his country's nuclear program was solely due to the Bush administration "and a couple of their European friends."

"The U.S. government has made a series of mistakes in the past few decades," Ahmadinejad said an interview with the Los Angeles Times. "The imposition on the U.S. economy of the years of heavy military engagement and involvement around the world ... the war in Iraq, for example. These are heavy costs imposed on the U.S. economy.

"The world economy can no longer tolerate the budgetary deficit and the financial pressures occurring from markets here in the United States, and by the U.S. government," he added. [/i]

Wow…He must be an economist. Not sure what military expenditures have to do with failing financial institutions?

[quote]dhickey wrote:
Not sure what military expenditures have to do with failing financial institutions? [/quote]

Do you actually believe the bombs that have been dropped were all payed for by tax revenue? The huge debt incurred by spending on the military industrial complex contributes to all US held debt. It isn’t just consumer credit and first time home buyers that are causing the banking systems to be over burdened.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
dhickey wrote:
Not sure what military expenditures have to do with failing financial institutions?

Do you actually believe the bombs that have been dropped were all payed for by tax revenue? The huge debt incurred by spending on the military industrial complex contributes to all US held debt. It isn’t just consumer credit and first time home buyers that are causing the banking systems to be over burdened.[/quote]

You don’t get it either, do you?

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
The leaders in the part of the world that hates the US laughs at its government’s impotence and anxiously awaits its collapse.

[i]During interviews ahead of his speech Tuesday, Ahmadinejad blamed U.S. military interventions around the world in part for the collapse of global financial markets. He said the campaign against his country's nuclear program was solely due to the Bush administration "and a couple of their European friends."

"The U.S. government has made a series of mistakes in the past few decades," Ahmadinejad said an interview with the Los Angeles Times. "The imposition on the U.S. economy of the years of heavy military engagement and involvement around the world ... the war in Iraq, for example. These are heavy costs imposed on the U.S. economy.

"The world economy can no longer tolerate the budgetary deficit and the financial pressures occurring from markets here in the United States, and by the U.S. government," he added. [/i][/quote]

Given the deplorable state of the Iranian economy, I'm not sure Mad Ahmedenijad (the guy who came up with the idea for children to wrap themselves in blankets and roll through Iraqi minefields) is the one you should be listening to about the economy.  That's just my take though. 

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
dhickey wrote:
Not sure what military expenditures have to do with failing financial institutions?

Do you actually believe the bombs that have been dropped were all payed for by tax revenue? The huge debt incurred by spending on the military industrial complex contributes to all US held debt. It isn’t just consumer credit and first time home buyers that are causing the banking systems to be over burdened.[/quote]

Your going to have to explain this one to me in a bit more detail. How do military expenditures take down the largest financial institutions in the county? Your theory on this would be entertaining. Some sort of presidence would be nice as well, as I don’t recall this happening after WW1, WW2, Korea, Veitnam, or Desert Storm.

Is Ahmadinejad’s statement less true because he lacks credentials as an economist?

What is untrue about the statement despite the accusations one can make about him?

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Is Ahmadinejad’s statement less true because he lacks credentials as an economist?

What is untrue about the statement despite the accusations one can make about him?

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Don’t try and deflect this one. You said he gets it. Explain to us how military expenditures take down the largest financial institutions in the country. You seemed so confident that this was indeed the case. Let’s hear your reasoning. Something about bombs and home mortgages.

Or just admit that you hadn’t really thought it through and we will all move on.

[quote]dhickey wrote:
How do military expenditures take down the largest financial institutions in the county?[/quote]

I am not sure Ahmadinejad even implied that military spending caused the banking collapse but rather was a generalization on the state of the American economy in general which deficit spending does play a role in – viz. inflation.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Is Ahmadinejad’s statement less true because he lacks credentials as an economist?

What is untrue about the statement despite the accusations one can make about him?

[/quote]

He is looking into someone’s living room from across the street with a pair of cheap opera glasses and making a judgment based on what he thinks he sees.

He speaks of nothing but the military. Our military is not the problem. In fact, it is the only thing we are spending real money on that is constitutional.

How you can be so fucking blind to a quote you posted is beyond me. I guess the next step in this thread is for you to start making up meanings to words, or perhaps tell all of us how to invest.

But nice to see your true colors come out. Perhaps you should change your name to Lixy Jr.

Ahmadinejad doesn’t evenly remotely get it.

His country is fucked. High unemployment, high inflation and a stagnant economy. Hardly one to give advice.

His blustering is going to get his country attacked by the great Satan. If we don’t sack up and do it then the little Satan will do it. Either way he is screwed and if he retaliates then either of the Satan’s will anhiliate them…even if that metro Obama is elected.

He get’s it wrong almost every time.

It’s like a general fitness guru giving advice on bodybuilding.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
<<< He speaks of nothing but the military. Our military is not the problem. In fact, it is the only thing we are spending real money on that is constitutional. >>>[/quote]

Why oh why cannot more people understand this simple point.

A military is one of the few things we are actually SUPPOSED to be spending lots of money on. That is an expenditure I have no problem with. It’s the rest of all these bullshit socialist welfare programs that are a destructive waste of money we do not have.

Here’s the part where somebody jumps in and says “yeah but we spend a lot more on defense than we do on those things” which misses the point altogether.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Here’s the part where somebody jumps in and says “yeah but we spend a lot more on defense than we do on those things” which misses the point altogether.[/quote]

But they would have it totally wrong, as we spend way more money on social entitlements than we do defense spending.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Here’s the part where somebody jumps in and says “yeah but we spend a lot more on defense than we do on those things” which misses the point altogether.

But they would have it totally wrong, as we spend way more money on social entitlements than we do defense spending. [/quote]

I’ve been told this I don’t know how many times.

I’m just saying that even if it were true, one is a legitimate expenditure and one is a socialist waste. Bad articulation on my part.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
rainjack wrote:
<<< He speaks of nothing but the military. Our military is not the problem. In fact, it is the only thing we are spending real money on that is constitutional. >>>

Why oh why cannot more people understand this simple point.

A military is one of the few things we are actually SUPPOSED to be spending lots of money on. [/quote]

You guys are all right about Ahmedinejad, the state of Iran’s economy, what brought us to where we are, etc. But since when is America supposed to spend more on its military than the rest of the world combined?

The Founding Fathers had a strong suspicion of large standing armies (as did the British, one of the reasons why both countries became stable democracies early on). I’m all for a strong military, but conservatives never seem to question the enormous amount of waste in the Pentagon, or, more importantly, why we need to be spending enormous amounts of money on our military.

[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
You guys are all right about Ahmedinejad, the state of Iran’s economy, what brought us to where we are, etc. But since when is America supposed to spend more on its military than the rest of the world combined?[/quote]

I didn’t know that we needed to look around to see what everyone else was doing. Maybe we spend more than everyone else because we are the the protectors of everyone else. Without getting into a whole chest pounding rant, we protect all of Western Europe. We protect most all of the Pacific Rim. We have vested interests in the Middle East.

Should we pare down our presence on the globe? I would love to. We need to get the hell out of NATO. That would save us a ton of money, and give me the added pleasure of watching those mealy mouthed little fucks over there crumble.

But until that happens, we are obligated to fulfill our role as the world’s super nanny. SO comparing what we spend to what Western Europe spends is not really a fair comparison.

That’s not really accurate. I’m not for carte blanche spending at the pentagon. I am for building the biggest, baddest, meanest, most lethal armed forces on the planet. The service men should al be paid more than the fucking congressmen, IMO.

It is the only place I can see what my tax dollars are doing. It would be real nice if, when we send in our tax payments, we could designate exactly where we wanted our tax dollars spent. I would never again have to pay for an abortion, or a welfare check, or the stupid war on drugs, or a fucking Social Security check. My money would all go for defense spending, with the occasional bone being tossed to helping build some highways.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
A military is one of the few things we are actually SUPPOSED to be spending lots of money on. That is an expenditure I have no problem with. It’s the rest of all these bullshit socialist welfare programs that are a destructive waste of money we do not have. [/quote]

Destructive? Are you flippin’ serious?

You actually think that footing the bill for a sick elderly or better schooling environment for needy American kids is more “destructive” than raining down bombs and bullets on broke countries?

I think I just entered the Twilight Zone.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
A military is one of the few things we are actually SUPPOSED to be spending lots of money on. That is an expenditure I have no problem with. It’s the rest of all these bullshit socialist welfare programs that are a destructive waste of money we do not have.

Destructive? Are you flippin’ serious?

You actually think that footing the bill for a sick elderly or better schooling environment for needy American kids is more “destructive” than raining down bombs and bullets on broke countries?

I think I just entered the Twilight Zone.[/quote]

Yes, welfare is destructive. Addicting people to handouts is destructive.

"Mongol General: Wrong! Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!
Mongol General: That is good.

Yesterday, put on ‘Rage Against the Machine’ and had a heavy DL day. If I closed my eyes, I imagined being in a plane and could see Iranian nuke facilities, and I’m shooting my missles at them. They go up in a smoldering ruin. Now, I can see Tehran in the distance and am closing in on it. Iranian defense is next to nothing against my technology. “Ain’t nothin’ but a peanut!” (Ronnie Coleman) I storm in and shred their city, leaving the hellfire they deserve in my wake. They are shredded and destroyed.

Ah, the sheer joy of bombing…