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Ag-Guys a Scam?

i recently ordered some products from them and their delivery is great however i was questioning their products effectiveness. I took the nolvadex i got from them as well as aromasin to a friend who is a pharmacist and he called their bluff. The compounds are not trustworthy and not as effective as the real products.

Did you have the stuff tested or did he just look at it and say it was junk?

I first consulted a doctor at a large university who didn’t believe it was real and recommended having a pharmacist take a look. I brought it to him and left it with him for a day, he got back to me and told me not to trust this site as the product is no where near the real nolvadex.

What does he mean that it is no where near the real nolvadex?

Is he talking concentration, or is he saying that the bottle contained no nolvadex.

AG-Guys make solutions, so unless he has some pretty decent analytical equipment there at his pharmacy, there is no real way he can offer any substantial proof of what is in the bottle.

I have my own opinions about AG-Guys, and I would never recommend anyone to use them, but The information you are getting from this pharmacist sounds like a crock of shit to me.

what he said is that it is undervalued as far as the amount of nolvadex in it. The amount they charge and the amount of actual compound in it is a rip off.

AG-Guys solutions are good as far as I can tell. I’ve read up on the concentration of their products and it may be a little underdosed. Someone was claiming it was as low as 12.5mg/ml instead of 20mg/ml.

It has to do with the solution mixture calculations. It is the same chemical compound as “Nolvadex” just in liquid form (Tamoxifen Citrate).

yea np shit undervalued. that’s good ! raw materials - the active ingredients, is dirt cheap if ya can get em that is. so the cost to the consumer is much better & the margins for the source are proably better in terms of %'s than they are for the pharms.

just because the pahrms sell the same shit for not just your left nut but for both your nuts dosn’t mean that cheaper stuff is no good. the real issue is dosing. if it’s dosed as the lable says than all the better.

hey i got some reeeeelll good shit. got 100 10mg nolvas for 1 millons bucks. better hurry for 1 millon bucks, can’t get anything better !

One always wonders. The anastrozole from chemone has the dose-response that my doc expected from 1mg/wk for TRT. So that is perfect for me.

I have heard nothing bad about chemone however I too have heard people have problems with the quality of product at ag guys

[quote]jb99 wrote:
I have heard nothing bad about chemone however I too have heard people have problems with the quality of product at ag guys[/quote]

Yeah well fuck chem one dude. I never got my letro, nolva or cialis from them. I never got a god damn tracking number in the bullshit letter I got From that Dick Joe Weider. I called the delivery company about this and they said that if there is no tracking number, there never was an order.

I even asked RJ about this and never got a direct response. An RJ don’t even say a word about this because I will forward that letter from your partner in crime on this forum to show how you scammed me asshole. Next time your plant blows up I hope you are in there “babysitting”… RJ will know what I am refering to. Sweet dreams fucker.

Dude - I have no idea what you are talking about.

If you are the Canadian guy that ordered - then we don’t reship with out a seizure letter.

To call us scammers is just a fucking lie. We have over 500 people a week all over the world that get their orders, and are totally satisfied.

If you are the canadian guy - then I sent you a PM to take care of this issue in private.

If you want to take this shit out to the open boards - you are the one that will suffer.

Our reputation is beyond reproach. Do we fuck up? You better believe it. Do we take care of problems? We wouldn’t be the second largest company in the market after only 15 months in business is we were anything close to what you described.

I hope you feel better after your little temper tantrum. It just shows how much of a bitch you are.

[quote]Tin Can wrote:
jb99 wrote:
I have heard nothing bad about chemone however I too have heard people have problems with the quality of product at ag guys

Yeah well fuck chem one dude. I never got my letro, nolva or cialis from them. I never got a god damn tracking number in the bullshit letter I got From that Dick Joe Weider. I called the delivery company about this and they said that if there is no tracking number, there never was an order.

I even asked RJ about this and never got a direct response. An RJ don’t even say a word about this because I will forward that letter from your partner in crime on this forum to show how you scammed me asshole. Next time your plant blows up I hope you are in there “babysitting”… RJ will know what I am refering to. Sweet dreams fucker.[/quote]

Wow , not sure what is going on but I have never had a problem with chemone. Like rj said they do fuck up and when they did with me “joewieder” almost fell over himself apologizing and sent an extra 100.00 worth of product to make up for it. While rj has never been shy about voicing his opinion i think everyone here will agree if you approach him like a gentlemen he will respond the same.

I have ordered from AG and they shipped pretty fast, and their products were legit. They certainly were not a scam about a year ago.

On another note, Chemone is faster and cheaper. Its certainly no surprise that they are growing every day. And not to mention you have a “rep” at your finger tips who will certainly do what he can without a doubt to rectify any problems. Try finding that with any other research chem comp out there.

Been a Chemone customer for awhile. I’ll vouch for their products and I will absolutely vouch for their customer service.
Standup company by me and I have tried them all.

R.J. everytime I tried to contact you via p.m or email it took about two weeks every time for you to answer. Then I say something on the boards and then I get an answer from you. So that is why from now on I will take it to the boards… This is frustrating for me…

So this dosen’t look good. I never got a tracking number on my first order and that never came. Then you say that you’re being a nice guy and they re-sent another one. But still there was never a tracking number and surprise no order. So eihter mistakes were made on both orders or I was selectively scammed.

So on these boards it’s my word against yours. And I understand you have a big presence here and I’m not trying to tarnish you rep or chem one. Just stating what has happened. And for all the people who are keeping an eye on this thread, this is the type of risk you are running buying this stuff off the net.

There are no guaranties of anything. And couldn’t care less if 50 people came on this thread and said they got their order. For all you know these people could all be fictional, creating hype for pct products like they do in the supplement threads…

I was simply going to drop this and leave it at that. But it sickens me to have been screwed for about $200. Then seeing these people on the boards saying " buy from chem one, we sell for less… I wish I would have ordered from AG guys. But from this experience my trust is just gone and that will never happen.

I have went with AG Guys in my early days with no problems. They really are some good guys.

BUT: I LOVE CHEM ONE!!!

JW

[quote]Tin Can wrote:
R.J. everytime I tried to contact you via p.m or email it took about two weeks every time for you to answer. Then I say something on the boards and then I get an answer from you. So that is why from now on I will take it to the boards… This is frustrating for me…

So this dosen’t look good. I never got a tracking number on my first order and that never came. Then you say that you’re being a nice guy and they re-sent another one. But still there was never a tracking number and surprise no order. So eihter mistakes were made on both orders or I was selectively scammed.

So on these boards it’s my word against yours. And I understand you have a big presence here and I’m not trying to tarnish you rep or chem one. Just stating what has happened. And for all the people who are keeping an eye on this thread, this is the type of risk you are running buying this stuff off the net.

There are no guaranties of anything. And couldn’t care less if 50 people came on this thread and said they got their order. For all you know these people could all be fictional, creating hype for pct products like they do in the supplement threads…

I was simply going to drop this and leave it at that. But it sickens me to have been screwed for about $200. Then seeing these people on the boards saying " buy from chem one, we sell for less… I wish I would have ordered from AG guys. But from this experience my trust is just gone and that will never happen.

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I PMed you here at T-Nation on May 14th telling you that if you would send me your info, I would give you a refund. This is after we resent twice.

It went unanswered.

That was 2.5 months ago.

Seems that the money you are out is of your own doing.

There is nothing we can do about that.

I’ll just jump on this bandwagon while it’s still rolling:

I was formerly an occassional AG-Guys client, but am now a ChemOne convert after only 2 transactions. Honestly, just looking at their prices is enough to give me a hard-on.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Just looking at RJs avatar is enough to give me a hard-on though dude…

:wink:

Bushy[/quote]

That’s one foot out the closet…