Yeah I was overweight as a kid and it promoted estrogen. Being an over weight kid isn't a child's thought its not a concious decision that a child makes. You muppet I know the difference from being fat and having gyno, my diet is good and getting better the longer I have time to see what works best. I was asking for advice with what im doing not permission or an opinion off of someone who dont actually wana help. Are you saying that with good diet and training, these things will not help me reach my goals faster?