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Advice on Cutting with Test E and Tbol?


#1

Hi guys,

Stats
Age: 35
Height: 6"3
Weight: 205lbs
Bodyfat: 16-17%

So I’m looking to do my second cycle and was hoping to get some advice from the knowledgeable and experienced members out there. My first cycle was Test e only, 625mg per week. I didn’t get fantastic results as my diet wasn’t where it needed to be.

This cycle I’m planning on cutting. I have test e and dbol to run with. I understand they prob aren’t the ideal compounds to cut with but it’s what I have.

I’m planning on running:
Test e 500mg - weeks 1-10
Dbol 30mg - ed weeks 2-8 (is this enough?)
HCG 500IU per week - weeks 2-10
Arimidex - .5mg eod - weeks 1-10

2 weeks off

40mg nolva 2 weeks
20mg nolva 2 weeks

I’ll be lifting 6 days per week and doing HIIT 3-4 days per week.

I’m planning on eating around 2000 cals per day. I know that isn’t a lot but like I said I’m totally focusing on cutting.

So if I followed this plan do you think I could expect good results? I don’t expect that I’ll put on much/any muscle. But would this plan allow me to maintain muscle while shredding up?

Like I said I know they aren’t the ideal compounds but it’s what I have. I’m not too concerned about some water weight while on cycle, more focused on after.

I really appreciate any advice or experience that you guys could share with me.

Cheers


#2

Anybody have an advice for me?

Cheers


#3

Still haven’t gotten any response to this. Would really appreciate if someone could offer some advice.

Thanks in advance.


#4

cutting with dbol??


#5

I know it’s not ideal, but I’ve heard it can still be useful with cutting. You don’t agree?


#6

water retention…be aware of that. to me it does not make sense. if I want to cut I want to see me as much dry as possible without bloating


#7

What is supporting the hpta the 2 weeks you are off ?


#8

I had read to wait two weeks before beginning HCG. Do you think it’s best to run it from day 1?


#9

KSman says:

[quote]Length of PCT discussion needs to be in the context of what has been done during the cycle to prevent testicular shut down [hCG or SERM] and preventing hypothalamus-pitutiary shutdown [SERM]. And that addresses the issue of taking nothing for “10-14 days”; if you have been supporting the HPTA during the cycle, its insane to stop that for a period before PCT.

Everything needs to be in context and well thought out. Can’t deal with these things with individual isolated sub-topics. There needs to be guidance build around defined strategies re what gets shutdown and what does not. If HPTA is supported all through a cycle, PCT all most seems to go away. If there has been total HPTA shutdown, then PCT needs to take time to first recover testicular form and function.[/quote]


#10

if you just follow the plan you laid out for yourself " I’ll be lifting 6 days per week and doing HIIT 3-4 days per week." with proper diet you can drop that 3-4% bodyfat in 4-5 months without using gear…


#11

This is what I’ve been weighing up. Maybe I’m better off continuing to cut for a few more months and hold out until mid next year to bulk with my gear.

Thanks for all your replies guys.