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Adex Dosage on Tren, Mast, Test

Hello all! This is my first post after lurking trough theese forums for quite afew years now as i’m in need of some knowledge and experience:)

First of all, i’ve been training steadliy for the past 4 years, shredding of aprox 100 lb of fat in the process, i now want to take it to the next level as i’ve been reading up on aas and other supplements for the last couple of months getting ready for what’s going to happen in 2013… :slight_smile:

stats:
height : 197 cm
age : 23 y old
weight: about 205, getting rid of the last few pounds pre january.
fat% : around 11 - 12ish
previous cycles: none.
I train heavy 4 times a week with a 2split body program:
Monday: heavy upperbody
tuesday: heavy underbody
thursday: higher rep press
friday: higher rep pull and legs.

Okay, so here’s whats up!: i’ve bought the andromix (test prop, masteron, tren ace) aswell as hGH. plans for the cycle is to gain between 20 - 30 lb of muscle in an 8 week window, aswell as shredd of the last few pounds of fat!

Cycle is as previously mentioned planned to be 8 weeks, where i shoot up 300 of the androstack eod (350 mast, 350 prop, 350 ace a week).
I will also be using 4ui’s of hgh everyday, 2ui in the morning, and 2ui post-workout.

Additional supplements trough cycle will be:
t4 (for the synergy with the gh, 100 mcg/day)
caber (prevent prolactin issues with the tren, 0,25 eod/same day as i stick up)
arimidex (estrogen sides, about 0,25 eod is what i was thinking, but this is the main question of the post, will ari be necessary?)

for pct i’ve planned out:
week 1-3: 500iu HcG a day
week 1-4 aromasin 20mg a day
week 1-6 nolvadex 20mg a day

Okay, now. My main question in regards to making this post comes down to the arimidex!
Basically what i’m wondering about is, do you guys think it’s necessary to start up arimi right away, or will the masteron be enough of an aromatase inhibitor as to prevent any major estrogen sides. I’m not gonna compete trough this cycle in any way, so i’d rather have my estrogen levels in a “balanced” range, rather than to low (gonna train hard, and i don’t want any joint or E side effects occuring that can hinder my progress as the most important part of this cycle is to gain as MUCH lean mass as possible WHILE staying lean, and then presserve it trough pct) And if you think arimi is required trough this cycle, at what dosage would i be best to start of with?

The thing that makes me unsure is the fact that my test dosage every week ain’t that high, and my mast dosage is exactly the same as the test. Will Mast at 350 a week be enough of an anti aromatisation agent, or will i be needing the arimidex aswell at theese dosages?

I would also appreciate all innput i can get on this cycle, and especially on the pct:)

If you have any questions regarding anything (or maybe i forgott to mention something) just fire away! On beforehand thanks, keep building! :wink:

Since its your first cycle I would run the adex, since you don’t know how your body will react to the test. I wouldn’t consider tren with the first cycle but its your body. Run the adex at .25mg EOD to start and adjust the dose need be.

Run your hcg on cycle don’t run it during pct as it will suppress you and you don’t want that during pct. I would also run the Nolva at 40mg the first two week of pct. your aromasin dose looks a little high as well.

[quote]BUDs wrote:
Since its your first cycle I would run the adex, since you don’t know how your body will react to the test. I wouldn’t consider tren with the first cycle but its your body. Run the adex at .25mg EOD to start and adjust the dose need be.

Run your hcg on cycle don’t run it during pct as it will suppress you and you don’t want that during pct. I would also run the Nolva at 40mg the first two week of pct. your aromasin dose looks a little high as well.[/quote]

Thanks for a quick Answer! :slight_smile: i’ve been reading up on HcG and from what i’ve been reading, the pct protocoll of Anthony Roberts (found here http://thinksteroids.com/articles/post-cycle-therapy-pct/ ) seemed really good and well tought out, problem is that i don’t know how to incorporate HcG in my cycle if i’m going to blast it trough PcT as mr.Roberts suggested in his article :slight_smile:

Very interesting thanks for posting that, I by no means have it all figures out I recommended what has worked for me in the past but this method has me intrigued, I’m gonna read up on this thanks

No probs mate;) this is why we got the forums, to share our resources and experiences, aswell as to learn from others:)

Yeah if its your 1st run then take tren out.

Why remove the tren? :slight_smile:

Tren is a no joke compound and really reserved for more experienced users. Honestly if this is your first cycle I would just do 500 a week of test. You will get an accurate picture of Adex as it applies to your bodies needs. The Mast and tren i would save for a later cycle, but hey I dont really see anything terribly wrong with a test/mast first cycle.

Tren can be a mother freaker to cycle as far as sides go and things can get complicated. If you research the site about tren cycles you will find that most love the drugs affects but hate the sides that come with it. If you waited till you were a little more experienced to run the tren, you’ll thank us later. Also 8 weeks of mast and tren at those doses will not be that beneficial to you, need to have a longer cycle with high dosage.

But getting back to your original question, yes an AI is always needed. Even if you don’t need it that often its way to important of a thing not to have at your finger tips.

Were just trying to help man,

[quote]tattoo’d’popeye wrote:
Tren is a no joke compound and really reserved for more experienced users. Honestly if this is your first cycle I would just do 500 a week of test. You will get an accurate picture of Adex as it applies to your bodies needs. The Mast and tren i would save for a later cycle, but hey I dont really see anything terribly wrong with a test/mast first cycle.

Tren can be a mother freaker to cycle as far as sides go and things can get complicated. If you research the site about tren cycles you will find that most love the drugs affects but hate the sides that come with it. If you waited till you were a little more experienced to run the tren, you’ll thank us later. Also 8 weeks of mast and tren at those doses will not be that beneficial to you, need to have a longer cycle with high dosage.

But getting back to your original question, yes an AI is always needed. Even if you don’t need it that often its way to important of a thing not to have at your finger tips.

Were just trying to help man,

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Appreciate all the help i can get my friend:) I’ve been reasearching the compounds heavily, so i’m pretty sure of what to expect as far as sides.

Why do you say that my dosage needs to be higher and my cycle longer? There’s plenty of people who’s done 8 - 10 weeks andro cycles and gotten good results from em:) as far as to the dosage, that IS my defence against the worst sides of all the compounds, seeing as it’s my first cycle i doubt i will be needing anything in higher dosages. I got the arimidex at hand (ofc) :slight_smile:
Regarding the tren sides i don’t really see them beeing that difficult execpt for the restart of the HPTA-axis, but that’s something i’m going to have to go trough anyhow.

Congrats on loosing 100lbs by the way. Ultimately your going to do what you want. I think that your goals of 20-30 lbs lbm gains are a little high for an 8 week test/tren/mast cycle on such a low dose. Then again your like 6’5" tall so it might be doable.

Keep this log updated as you go though so we can see your gains throughout. Do you have a start date that your shooting for?

First cycle = test, tren, mast and HGH? At 6’5 205 pounds? Do not recommend.

Would recommend dumping the tren and running the test higher, as previously suggested. Maybe mast in at the end to lean up a bit if you are hell bent.

But that’s probably not an option since I assume you bought a blend.

My suggestion is to run the HCG throughout the whole thing, regardless of what you do. There is absolutely no need for a “power PCT protocol” or whatever nonsense you see parroted on the boards. A good rule of thumb, if some advice a guy is hawking has a cutesy acronym (PPP, Triple P, etc.) then they are probably full of shit. 250 iu 2-3x/week is all you need to keep your testes producing while the AAS inhibits your HPTA. Discontinue just before beginning your PCT. Easy.

Thanks VTBalla34:) how would you recomend doing the pct then if i do hcg trough cycle, would you mind taking a look at the link i posted afew post earlier and give me your opinion? :slight_smile:

Yeah, it’s a blend, but IF things go awry wrong, i got prop and enha on hand, so i can just discontinue the andromix and do a pure testo cycle, though i doubt it will be necessary :slight_smile:

Thanks again all, loving the feedback! :slight_smile:

If you run the hcg on cycle you would start no later then week 2 and dose it at 250iu 3x a week and discontinue 4-5 days before you start pct. for pct you can run Nolva and/or clomid with the aromasin.

How long would you run the PCT then BUDs? getting alot of feedback regardiing the 6 week scheme, where people say i can cut it down to 4 weeks if i do the HcG trough Cycle.

Also, if i don’t do HcG in PCT, is Aromasin and Nolvadex the optimal choice as a PcT protokoll for my current cycle, or are there other options that might be better? :slight_smile:

Again, thanks for feedback!

I’ve always done 4 week pct. I don’t see a need for a six week pct unless you have a hard time recovering or your running a longer cycle.

For pct I’ve used Nolva, clomid, an both at the same time. I prefer Nolva and clomid together I seem to recover faster with the combination. I recently started using a low dose aromasin during pct as it seems to helps with acne during pct. You can try either clomid or Nolva or both its one of those things you have to see how you respond to them.

I recently just started my first tren cycle but I’ve run several cycles before this and I’m using Nolva and clomid with a low dose of aromasin for pct. I’m also running hcg on cycle as well. Tren can be harsh that’s why it’s not advisable for a first cycle. Really you should be running a test cycle to see how your body responds to the test, if your prone to estrogen sides and most importantly how your body recovers from test only. Then once you know how your body reacts then you can add other compounds and if you start seeing sides you know what is causing it. Hey it’s your body so do what you like.

Soo… I gained aprox 13 kiloes of pure muscle over 8 weeks, did a cut after that to shredd of some of the fat i gained on top of the 13 kg of muscles, and went to pct. Everything recovered smoothly and nice, i felt fine the whole cylce and i felt perfectly fine the whole pct… Can’t wait for next one :wink:

[quote]datbulk wrote:
Soo… I gained aprox 13 kiloes of pure muscle over 8 weeks [/quote]

no u didn’t… but alright

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

no u didn’t… but alright[/quote]

Why would you make such a statement? herretic!

Seriousness though, bloated as fcuk in the start getting the adex dosage right, so i went straght from 87kg to 120 in 1 week, slowly dropped the water over the next 5 weeks and the weight stalled at 110kg counting extra fat:) now weighting 104kg, same fat% as pre-cycle :slight_smile: As stated earlier in thread, was my first cycle so unreal gains was to be expected as trenbolone was used and erryday caloric inntake was between 4-8k daily, nojoke,lol

Almost 30 lbs… Really?

[quote]installglass wrote:
Almost 30 lbs… Really?[/quote]

well according to his most recent post, he gained almost 73 pounds in the first week lmao