Activating Muscle Protein Synthesis Everyday

LOL… you honestly think this is still about you? For me this thread has been nothing more than a excuse to vent about trends in the training world that annoys the hell out of me … The validity of what you might or not be doing in training isn’t a social issue. Besides its not my job to social police you…if your into midget donkey porn more power to you. This thread actually has passed you by… unless you have anything of actual training value people can garnish from it.

Isnt that statement a poor attempt to social police in itself? God you younger guys are so easy to manipulate … so sensitive.

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I think there’s a few theories on why this may be the case.

lol, just fucking lol.

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So… here’s me policing you on the Internet. You crossed a line. It’s not going to happen again.

IRL, if you said that to Bulldog’s face, I’d wait until you regained consciousness and then let you know that was a dick thing to say.

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Big man over here

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If anyone would like to know the Powerball numbers for next week, just ask.

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Reminds me of this lel

Context

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man imagine how epic it’d be watching this dude actually trying to punch Bulldog in the face in real life.

That mental image alone is worth this utter abortion of a thread

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The mental image of that made me laugh hard, would definitely like to see that

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LOL I was already over this thread… But the pure bliss of jerking on that chain :smile:


which ones? Maybe you need to get it through your Head that those Rants were Jabs at ALL NOOBS whom want to come in here and acting arrogant… Yeah genius maybe lets not get into a debate with someone whom is respected on subject matter like Stu when you have Zero Street Credibility.

People were even trying to warn you and in some cases politely and you wouldn’t listen!

So you couldn’t come up with a actual technically sound thought counter argument could you? Outside of some social control BULLSHIT which had honestly has anything to do when training .So you throw something out trying to save face and being EL Macho. Without actually knowing what your talking about and making a assumptions.

What punch? you actually thinks this has even been a fair fight? My son is actually bigger and stronger than you… and a large % of people on here can attest to on this board… Again you make a false assumption based off of what you read without knowing all the facts! . Dumb ass…

And I apologize that something didn’t taste strong enough for you…and tasted weak.

But Thank you for allowing me to have so much power over you. Feel Free to keep adding gas .

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Ummm cough cough @Chris_Colucci ?

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Just throw him out… ?
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It’s mildly ironic that someone who wanted to call themselves “dlegend” barely lasted two weeks.

Just another fly-by-night troll who’s like a fart after Thanksgiving dinner. Good for a few quick laughs, but once it’s out of your system, it’s ultimately insignificant and unmemorable.

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Here’s some more gasoline for the fire:

“While enhanced lifters can still get significant gains from hitting each muscle once per week, naturals need to stimulate each muscle at least twice a week, and ideally three or even four to get significant growth past the beginner stage.”
" The steroids keep protein synthesis elevated around the clock. Their workouts of course increase protein synthesis to an even higher degree, but hitting each muscle more often isn’t needed because the overall rate of synthesis will stay elevated all the time."

I didn’t want to jump into this thread because it wasn’t going anywhere positive and I have lost my appetite for online arguments, but seeing as Christian Thibaudeau advocates high frequency training I thought it would be appropriate to link his article and make some relevant points.

I actually had a discussion with Borge Fagerli (Norwegian coach/sport scientist) on another forum a few years back on training frequency. For those who don’t know, Borge is a proponent of high frequency training and was involved in the Norwegian “Frequency Project” along with Menno Henselmans. So first off, one thing that he said was that despite his belief that increased frequency was better than the typical bodybuilding split, many people do well with once a week frequency per muscle group precisely because it reduces the Repeated Bout Effect and makes the muscles more responsive to a training stimulus. Furthermore, his approach to increasing frequency isn’t simply doing the same workout more times per week but rather reducing volume per session. He doesn’t advise such high frequency for beginners and recommends increasing frequency when the volume per session becomes unmanageable. So the OP here was flat out wrong to jump into such a foolish training program, there are no two ways about it.

So on the other hand, we have Brad Schoenfeld’s recent work that concluded training a muscle group twice or three times per week was better than once but three sessions had no significant benefit over two. And when you get to the point of 4x/week+ frequency you will have to do full body workouts which means more time spent warming up and more total time in the gym per week. From what I have seen, such a high frequency approach can work for some more advanced lifters but there doesn’t seem to be any advantage to it over training twice a week, it would mostly be a matter of preference and has potential downside.

Regarding the Frequency Project, Borge mentioned that one major reason that the higher frequency group had better results was because the 3 day/week group had brutally long workouts with tons of volume per session. You can find some 3 day sample programs on the Norway PL site (styrkeloft.no, use google translate), you will see that their typical workouts for intermediate lifters were marathon sessions and could easily take 4 hours. So the takeaway is not necessarily that more frequency is better, but rather than too much volume per session is a bad thing. Also worth noting is that the Norwegians train mostly with submaximal volume and relatively low intensity, there are no rep maxes or heavy singles involved. High frequency training will certainly require a different approach than many powerlifters in the Western world are accustomed to.

A question for the people who were saying that (for bodybuilding) training each muscle group directly more than once a week is too much, why is that? Do you really not believe that you could do half the volume each day and train twice as often and still recover? I’m genuinely interested to know. I can understand if your leg day has you squatting 500+ for sets of 12 that you probably couldn’t do that twice a week, but why would that not work for someone at an intermediate level?

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Precisely because of what has been explained before: the need for more secondary and isolation exercises and for many, pre-fatigue and specific exercise sequencing which in itself requires two to three exericises and has produced great results for many. So the need for such sequencing for numerous exercises makes it unmanageable to do so in sessions for a particular body part too close together.

And as I’ll say again, which I’ve said before in this thread and I’ll likely repeat over… and over… and over again (!): just because a specific body part is trained once DIRECTLY once per week, that DOESN’T mean it’s not being stimulated at all throughout the week! How many times does this bear repeating?! If one trains chest and then trains shoulders two to three days (nearly always trained with an overhead press variation for anyone who knows what they’re doing) l, then the chest, delts, and tris twice in four days! If one trains back one day and then three days later on leg day does stiff legged dead variation for hams, then the back and hams are trained twice in four days!! Many on here are strong enough to do stiff legged deadlifts with 315-plus for reps or dumbbell stiff legs for with 120s or heavier. Anyone do that and not feel an enormous pump in your traps and Lats?

Do these protein synthesis and frequency zealots think think body parts fall asleep while others are directly trained?!

Do you think the biceps are taking a nap while rowing or chinning?!

Creativity in a split goes a long way!

And while we’re at it, even though we’re on a bodybuilding forum. Anyone see the routines of some of the best powetlifters and bench specialists of all time?! Quite a few trained lifts and body parts infrequently and besides their work for the lifts, their routines looked no different than splits. But then many will counter, “they’re genetically blessed and they were on drugs.” Well, does everyone think these men weren’t intelligent enough to know that if something worked better (e.g., increased frequency) they wouldn’t do it?
Maybe I’m ignorant. Who knows?
Yes, many bodybuilders have trained in goofy, excessive ways. But there were many drug aided ones who didn’t. And to think they were all genetically blessed goofballs who put no thought into anything is disingenuous. Anyone can Go look at old training videos of Rusty Jeffers, Mike Francois, Dorian Yates, and Jay Cutler with some voiceovers of them speaking and motive they had reasoning in what they did.

Your post is good and I don’t mean to come across as snobby at all, but I’m speaking generally here.

Besides, do the frequency freaks look so much better as a group than those who aren’t? Same goes for powerlifting. Was anyone who trained more frequently that much better than Ed Coan, Anthony Clark, Dave Waterman, Glen Chabot, and Kirk Karwoski. Who knows?

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Oh come on like those guys every did anything :wink:

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As if often the case, these types of ‘discussions’ becomes a clash of dogmas. If HFT can be classed as ‘science-based’ it doesn’t follow it will be optimal for the majority of the training population. Like everything else, you research it, experiment with it then draw your conclusion. I trust this is the rationale behind Thibaudeau’s article. For me, it works. The danger comes when you start trying to tell everyone else they’re doing it wrong. Unfortunately, holding up esteemed pros to back your argument fails too because, I would argue, someone like Arnold would flourish on most training systems. Same argument could be applied to Thibaudeau himself, namely ‘yes, but he was already jacked doing other stuff before he came up with the HFT programme’.

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Regarding the latest CT article: You need to take what is in that article in context of everything he is saying now. I’m starting to really come around to his way of thinking, it’s highly individual. While frequency, volume, and intensity are all important, a training routine that fits your personality and hence you will stick to and train hard at is paramount. Go read all his neuro-typing stuff, he doesn’t recommend high frequency for everyone. Even if 2+ sessions on a muscle a week may be optimal for the muscle, it may not be optimal for the person.

A training plan that is 5 or 10 or 15% “sub-optimal” but you like is far superior to the “perfect” one you hate. Unless you are looking to become a pro, do the one you like and that you are motivated to do and will train hard at. I love frequency and intensity and hate volume. High frequency training works well for me. Its a way for me to get in volume without wanting to kill myself. I’ve done just about every training routine out there with an open mind. Traditional bodybuilding programs, or volume based powerlifting training leave me dreading the gym.

Train optimally for the person not just for the mechanics of strength/muscle gain.

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Coan (who was on drugs FTR), from what I’ve read was twice a week and high volume. Don’t know about the other ones.

There is also a discussion here in powerlifting terms when you get to weights that big if your training should change because the SRA curve changes. Squatting 400 pounds is different than squatting 800 even if they are both true maxes. Though there are certainly top level powerlifters that train at a very high frequency (high volume or high intensity) and many that recommend as high a frequency as possible assuming you can recover. There are guys at the top squatting 3-6 times a week and ones squatting 1 time every 14 days.

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@DoubleDuce true…