ACORN = Pimps?!?!

[quote]koffea wrote:
PB-Crawl wrote:
why wouldn’t the IRS be shitting all over ACORN at this point? Or the FBI? neither gives a shit about ACORNs political leanings. And the fact that they were willing to drop advice like that for 50 dollars, the IRS not doing anything, smells fishy to me.
well the story just broke, adn the IRS does care who you are. They, for instance, wont take on an entitiy that they feel would not look good publicly and acorn definetely falls into that category. They are also more likely to negotiate taxes on a yearly basis with larger entities than say you or me.

PB-Crawl wrote:
I showed this to my friend whose a private tax accountant. He said as far as the prostitution and lying about income, thats the standard advice given to criminals. Double the " this meeting never happened, there will be no paperwork" part too. Though he did say after hearing the part about smuggling in girls as prostitutes he would refund the person and kindly ask them to leave, but he also said theres plenty of accountants out there who wouldnt think twice bout helping them for that part, that is for higher fees.

so what your saying is that this probably was not the first time that the lady in the tape had done this illegal act. That and that your accountant buddy belongs in jail too. [/quote]

Ehhh not quite sure about the IRS, they dont exactly have a positive reputation to begin with. If this video pans out to be true, I don’t know how ACORN will be able to weather this. I hope they can’t.

I said nothing of the sorts, I was implying that such practice is common, especially in private practice. I don’t think he belongs in jail since im not a big fan of our tax system. Certainly he could be put in jail and i wouldn’t argue hes an innocent man.

hiding 90k was “small time” in his words.

I had also broken what, potentially a half dozen laws riding my 10 speed down the street to his house with an open beer, so its not like i was going to brand him.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
PB-Crawl wrote:

ACORN showing people how to hide tax money, pretty ironic? I thought you guys dig on avoid taxes?

You really think avoiding taxes is the issue here?[/quote]

No, that was clearly just slight joke and small poke.

[quote]John S. wrote:
Sloth wrote:
PB-Crawl wrote:

ACORN showing people how to hide tax money, pretty ironic? I thought you guys dig on avoid taxes?

You really think avoiding taxes is the issue here?

To be fair, he does visit 14 year old hookers every weekend. He doesn’t see a problem with anything.[/quote]

Pedophile jokes, classy. I really hope youre not raising any children.

[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:
John S. wrote:
Sloth wrote:
PB-Crawl wrote:

ACORN showing people how to hide tax money, pretty ironic? I thought you guys dig on avoid taxes?

You really think avoiding taxes is the issue here?

To be fair, he does visit 14 year old hookers every weekend. He doesn’t see a problem with anything.

Pedophile jokes, classy. I really hope youre not raising any children.[/quote]

You support these pedophiles, your the one saying there is no problem. I hope you are not raising any children.

[quote]John S. wrote:
PB-Crawl wrote:
John S. wrote:
Sloth wrote:
PB-Crawl wrote:

ACORN showing people how to hide tax money, pretty ironic? I thought you guys dig on avoid taxes?

You really think avoiding taxes is the issue here?

To be fair, he does visit 14 year old hookers every weekend. He doesn’t see a problem with anything.

Pedophile jokes, classy. I really hope youre not raising any children.

You support these pedophiles, your the one saying there is no problem. I hope you are not raising any children.[/quote]

Feel free to show were i said i had no problem with smuggling underage girls into the US and supporting the illegal sex trade. Or even where ive offered even a hint of support for ACORN.

Ironically, in this very thread, ive done the opposite. But please do point out where i have.

[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:
John S. wrote:
PB-Crawl wrote:
John S. wrote:
Sloth wrote:
PB-Crawl wrote:

ACORN showing people how to hide tax money, pretty ironic? I thought you guys dig on avoid taxes?

You really think avoiding taxes is the issue here?

To be fair, he does visit 14 year old hookers every weekend. He doesn’t see a problem with anything.

Pedophile jokes, classy. I really hope youre not raising any children.

You support these pedophiles, your the one saying there is no problem. I hope you are not raising any children.

Feel free to show were i said i had no problem with smuggling underage girls into the US and supporting the illegal sex trade. Or even where ive offered even a hint of support for ACORN.

Ironically, in this very thread, ive done the opposite. But please do point out where i have.[/quote]

I apologize, I thought your first statement was said in sarcasm.

ok

[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:
Ehhh not quite sure about the IRS, they dont exactly have a positive reputation to begin with. If this video pans out to be true, I don’t know how ACORN will be able to weather this. I hope they can’t.[/quote]
they will handle this the same way they handle the countless other incedents in the past. Fire them, call them rougue employees, isolate them, destroy them, then use them as martys of a currupt republican system. The employees of acorn are nothing but fodder.

as for the irs not going after entities. I can give you one example of the Albertson foundation, where the IRS opted not to go after the foundation in the late 1990’s due to the fact that it had a very good reputation as a do-gooder org in the community. The IRS simply felt they could not win in the public arena, so they dropped it all together. I have been led to believe that this is rather common.

[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:
I said nothing of the sorts, I was implying that such practice is common, especially in private practice. I don’t think he belongs in jail since im not a big fan of our tax system. Certainly he could be put in jail and i wouldn’t argue hes an innocent man.

hiding 90k was “small time” in his words.

I had also broken what, potentially a half dozen laws riding my 10 speed down the street to his house with an open beer, so its not like i was going to brand him.[/quote]
unfortunately you are correct. it is rather cammon. My father is an accountant, and there are many people who wont do business with him because he is a completely honest man. Its interesting to see where they end up going knowing the back story and all.

I am not going to argue the party issue here, but I am really pissed that someone did not call the police the moment “14 year old hookers” came out in a conversation. That shit should bug everyone on this board, regardless of whether you are a Liberal or Conservative. I hate all Chesters period.

[quote]John S. wrote:

Officials with the controversial community organizing group ACORN were secretly videotaped offering to assist two individuals posing as a pimp and a prostitute, encouraging them to lie to the Internal Revenue Service and providing guidance on how to claim underage girls from South America as dependents.

The videotape was made public Thursday on BigGovernment.com, a political blog launched by Andrew Breitbart as a companion site to his BigHollywood.breitbart.com blog.

In the videotape, made on July 24, James O’Keefe, a 25-year-old independent filmmaker, posed as a pimp with a 20-year-old woman named “Kenya” who posed as a prostitute while visiting ACORN’s office in Baltimore. The couple told ACORN staffers they wanted to secure housing where the woman could continue to maintain a prostitution business.

ACORN â?? the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now â?? bills itself as the nation’s largest community of low- and moderate-income families “working together for social justice and stronger communities,” according to its Web site. The organization has been accused by Republicans and conservative activists with fraud in voter registration drives around the country and has been under fire since last year for its support of President Obama and for its planned participation in next year’s census.

A spokesman for ACORN, Scott Levenson, when asked to comment on the videotape, said: “The portrayal is false and defamatory and an attempt at gotcha journalism. This film crew tried to pull this sham at other offices and failed. ACORN wants to see the full video before commenting further.”

On the videotape, “Kenya” can be seen telling an ACORN staffer that she earns roughly $8,000 a month. The ACORN employee then suggests to “Kenya” that ACORN could submit a tax return for 2008 showing that she made $9,600 for the entire year â?? instead of $96,000 â?? and that ACORN would charge “Kenya” $50 instead of the usual $150 fee for preparing her taxes.

ACORN offers tax preparation and benefits application services free of charge during tax season; it charges nominal fees during non-tax season.

The ACORN staffer can also be seen suggesting that the prostitute list her occupation as a freelance “performing artist.”

“It’s not dancing, trust me,” the “pimp” says.

“But dancing is considered an art,” the ACORN staffer replies. “[Exotic dancers] usually go under performing artists, or yeah, they usually go under performing arts, which will be what you are â?? a performing artist.”

The “pimp” later says that he and “Kenya” plan to bring up to 13 “very young” girls from El Salvador to work as prostitutes. Although an ACORN staffer points out their plans are illegal, she also suggests that the girls can be claimed as dependents.

“What if they are going to be making money because they are performing tricks too?” the pimp says.

“If they making money and they are underage, then you shouldn’t be letting anybody know anyway,” the ACORN staffer says, and laughs. “It’s illegal. So I am not hearing this, I am not hearing this. You talk too much. Don’t give up no information you’re not asked.”

The “pimp” then asks ACORN staffers to “promise” not to discriminate against his sex worker because of “who she is and what she does,” according to the audiotape.

“If we don’t have the information, then how are we going to discriminate?” the ACORN staffer replies. “You see what I am saying?”

If the girls are under age 16, the ACORN staffer says on the tape, then they are not legally allowed to work in the state, regardless of what they do.

“So it’s like they don’t even exist?” “Kenya” asks.

“Exactly,” the ACORN staffer replies. “It’s like they don’t even exist.”

The staffer goes on to suggest that as many as three of the underage girls can be listed as dependents at the home, but a “flag” will be raised if as many as 13 are listed.

“You are gonna use three of them,” the staffer says. “They are gonna be under 16, so you is eligible to get child tax credit and additional child tax credit.”

The ACORN workers also appear to be promoting the group’s services to the “pimp” and “Kenya.”

A second ACORN employee can be heard on the audiotape suggesting that the couple join the organization for an annual cost of $120 prior to attending one of its first-time homebuyer seminars, which are underwritten with taxpayer funds.

Later, when the “pimp” asks what would happen if the organization is somehow connected to the scheme, the ACORN staffer replies, “First of all, it’s not gonna damage us because we not gonna know. And with your girls, you tell them, ‘Be careful.’ Train them to keep their mouth shut.”

“These girls are like 14, how can we trust them?” the pimp asks.

“Just be very, very careful,” the ACORN staffer says. “Whatever you do, always keep your eyes in the back of your head.”

Reached by FOX News, O’Keefe said he was “shocked” at the level of assistance provided by ACORN staffers.

“I was prepared for them to call the police, throw me out of the office and be hostile,” he said. “Without hesitation, they helped me every way they could with evading taxes and setting me up with a brothel, with getting around federal tax laws â?? doing everything they could to help us. I was completely shocked.”

House Republicans issued a report in July accusing ACORN of engaging in a scheme to use taxpayer money to support a partisan political agenda. California Rep. Darrell Issa, the top Republican on the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, called for a criminal investigation into the group, which dismissed the report as a “partisan attack job.”
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This was absolutely priceless… Kudos to the film makers on the bust…

Looks like this wasn’t an isolated incident, they did it at another one too.

[quote]koffea wrote:
does anyone have a link to an unedited video? I have people i want to give this too, but beck is to much of a tarnish for them to want to watch it.

i watched footage of this on youtube, and it is pretty shocking about how she does not even wince at the idea of helping these two setup an underage brothel. seriously over the line.[/quote]

Baltimore
http://biggovernment.com/2009/09/10/chaos-for-glory/

D.C.
http://biggovernment.com/2009/09/11/washington-dc-acorn-video-child-prostitution-investigation/

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I am not going to argue the party issue here, but I am really pissed that someone did not call the police the moment “14 year old hookers” came out in a conversation. That shit should bug everyone on this board, regardless of whether you are a Liberal or Conservative. I hate all Chesters period. [/quote]
it appears like they hit several ACORN offices. And while ACORN claims that offices in Pennsylvania, Los Angeles and New York did not help them with their underage brothel, it should be also noted that not one called the police either. Plus this goes beyond 14 year old hookers, this is an endoresement of sex slave trafficking of minors in general.

i wonder if this is going to be a slow dribble of acorn offices they went to over the course of the summer. I really hope that is the case. It is the only way to demonstrate that corruption truly is systemic within acorn.

It’s a bit disingenuous campaigning for more social programs, and people paying their fair share, and then avoiding paying taxes yourself.

[quote]tedro wrote:
koffea wrote:
does anyone have a link to an unedited video? I have people i want to give this too, but beck is to much of a tarnish for them to want to watch it.

i watched footage of this on youtube, and it is pretty shocking about how she does not even wince at the idea of helping these two setup an underage brothel. seriously over the line.

Baltimore
http://biggovernment.com/2009/09/10/chaos-for-glory/

D.C.
http://biggovernment.com/2009/09/11/washington-dc-acorn-video-child-prostitution-investigation/[/quote]

This is absolutely disgusting.

Don’t mean to hijack, but I found these videos from O’Keefe. Until this story broke, I’d never heard of the man. But, he’s pretty effective with illustrating absurdity.

Lucky Charms, a racist breakfast cereal?

Soyotamayor’s racist against…latinas?!

They really misplayed this though in my opinion. They should have gathered up a dozen or 2 instances or more over several months all over the country, I’m sure they could have gotten help, and released one good one first. When the ACORN suits responded with the usual outrage release more and so on. This would have been much more effective and kept it in the news for quite a while. Now ACORN is going to be ready if they try it again and they can play these off as a couple isolated incidents though 2 is better than one.

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
John S. wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
ACORN Ã???Ã??Ã?¢?? the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now Ã???Ã??Ã?¢?? bills itself as the nation’s largest community of low- and moderate-income families “working together for social justice and stronger communities,” according to its Web site.

Repeat after me: ACORN is a black racialist organization bent on extracting tribute money from whites through the use of thuggery, guilt, voter fraud, and outright intimidation.

When a black leader uses the term “community” - let’s put it this way - whites are not intended.

Isn’t that the truth.

Especially POTUS! That guy hates whites!
[/quote]

X2 It’s blatantly obvious, yet somehow, so many stupid white people love Obama and think organizations like ACORN do good. Makes me sick.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
They really misplayed this though in my opinion. They should have gathered up a dozen or 2 instances or more over several months all over the country, I’m sure they could have gotten help, and released one good one first. When the ACORN suits responded with the usual outrage release more and so on. This would have been much more effective and kept it in the news for quite a while. Now ACORN is going to be ready if they try it again and they can play these off as a couple isolated incidents though 2 is better than one.[/quote]

x2. They’ll just keep pumping them out until there’s nothing more ACORN can say. I just saw that they lost their census contract.

The funny thing was how they said they were entrapped. Everyone says that when they get caught committing a crime.

More needs to be published on their role in the Minority Mortgage Meltdown also. They had a hand in intimidating banks into lowering their lending standards by way of the revised CRA.

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
They really misplayed this though in my opinion. They should have gathered up a dozen or 2 instances or more over several months all over the country, I’m sure they could have gotten help, and released one good one first. When the ACORN suits responded with the usual outrage release more and so on. This would have been much more effective and kept it in the news for quite a while. Now ACORN is going to be ready if they try it again and they can play these off as a couple isolated incidents though 2 is better than one.

x2. They’ll just keep pumping them out until there’s nothing more ACORN can say. I just saw that they lost their census contract.

The funny thing was how they said they were entrapped. Everyone says that when they get caught committing a crime.

More needs to be published on their role in the Minority Mortgage Meltdown also. They had a hand in intimidating banks into lowering their lending standards by way of the revised CRA. [/quote]

This was one of the crown moments for the democratic party in the 90’s. This is when this all really started. But even that is already not focusing on the real issues. The Ruling banking elite that engineered this collapse and others. Focusing on anything other then them is then winning with their deceptions.