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ABBH Program?

okay screw it all too much information. i’m going to try this program even though it looks really wierd and i have to train every 2 days for like…10 x 3 like wtf…10 sets of 3 reps of my 80% lol? i had to do 3 set of 18 reps of my 80% in his other TBT…but meh.

anyway just wanted to ask you guys something that confuses me. if you have seen this workout you’ll see there are no real exercises for the delts. is this normal? will the delts grow through the other movements?

also oh i dunno…i’ll give it a go even though i don’t have much faith in this…i jsut want something that’ll work and this has had alot of good reviews so…yeah…

just anything like your thoughts really…ideas?

i avoid the program due to the lack of thought on shoulder work. Sure you could replace a chest pressing movement with a shoulder, but then you just lose out on the frequency on both which ruins the point of it all imo.

If you’re too lazy to read all of the information in the article, what makes you think you will stick to the program, especially if you don’t believe in it, and question it’s effectiveness?

[quote]SWR wrote:
If you’re too lazy to read all of the information in the article, what makes you think you will stick to the program, especially if you don’t believe in it, and question it’s effectiveness?

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^what he said

It’s a great beginner’s program and it’s worked for a lot of people. So don’t come back complaining it didn’t work since it doesn’t sound like you’ll be giving it your all.

Wasn’t there a Cool Tip (by CT I think?) about believing in your program. Yeah, go read that too.

And what CW program had you doing sets of 18 with your 80% 1RM? Can’t say I’ve ever seen that one.

look, i read the program it had little shoulder movements in what i saw, but like i said i’m a beginner so i wanted to know if it was actually there just in another form. Only reason i don’t have faith is cause it seems so little to what ive been doing.

[quote]int3l wrote:
i had to do 3 set of 18 reps of my 80% in his other TBT…but meh.

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You should really learn how to read weight lifting articles.

Chad doesn’t believe in direct should work. He says you get enough shoulder work from pressing and pulling exercises. You could always just do Christian’s shoulder specialization right after this if you’re that worried about it. Or just throw in some lateral raises at the end of your chest day somewhere.

Boo-hoo, aren’t overhead presses enough deltoid work for you?

ABBH 1 and 2 are both very good programs and not necessarily for beginners. I replaced dips with overhead presses in ABBH 1. That should do the trick.

What about the Chin ups? I’m quite sure that I can’t do 50reps of chin ups during one workout… :confused: Same goes for dips but ofcourse you can replace them with OH presses, right?

Any replacement movement suggested for those chin ups?

Thanks

[quote]int3l wrote:
okay screw it all too much information. i’m going to try this program even though it looks really wierd and i have to train every 2 days for like…10 x 3 like wtf…10 sets of 3 reps of my 80% lol? i had to do 3 set of 18 reps of my 80% in his other TBT…but meh.

anyway just wanted to ask you guys something that confuses me. if you have seen this workout you’ll see there are no real exercises for the delts. is this normal? will the delts grow through the other movements?

also oh i dunno…i’ll give it a go even though i don’t have much faith in this…i jsut want something that’ll work and this has had alot of good reviews so…yeah…

just anything like your thoughts really…ideas?[/quote]

Often in these programs (especially from the T-Nation site i have noticed) when there are quite a few bodyparts in one workout or a full body plan, the shoulders get dropped as they get so much direct work -indirectly. The arms too…

I personally dont like 8x3, 10x3, german volume training… The simple reason is, i train to failure on every set. So if i have 3 exercises with 3 sets each (3? really? yup.) i go to failure on all 9 sets.
With 10x3, only the last 3 sets are challenging - maybe 4 - even 5… but not all 9 to failure. So it is alot less work for me, its ok as a lay-off macrocycle, but other than that…

Maybe i do it wrong, but the 5RM used for 3 reps over 10 sets just didn’t seem that challenging, not even as tough as half the number of sets to total failure.

Whats that about training every two days? I truly have to FORCE myself to take my off days.

Joe

[quote]Ocha wrote:
What about the Chin ups? I’m quite sure that I can’t do 50reps of chin ups during one workout… :confused: Same goes for dips but ofcourse you can replace them with OH presses, right?

Any replacement movement suggested for those chin ups?

Thanks[/quote]

I am currently doing ABBH and think that I will substitute close grip pull downs for the chin ups, certainly for the sets where I require 10 reps. At 275 lbs, chin ups are pretty tough. The sets where I am required to do 5 or less reps, I’ll tackle with chin ups.

Ok, thank you Eventine for the replacement movement. Gonna try it also…

hmm… What would you think if I would use elastic bands for those 50 reps of chin ups? They make it a bit easier and still I would stimulate the same muscles?

And just to make sure: this program lasts for 23 days, right? :smiley: Both BBB and ABBH are quite short programs… :open_mouth: Less than a month!