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A Trip to the Endo


#1

Went to the endocrinologist today to switch from testim gel to Cypionate injectable. She reviewed my last bloodwork done November 3 and noticed that my test levels were lower, 229total/459 in Sept. (free test down as well) and my cholesterol was higher 220 compared to 170 in August-HDL was at 50. My liver enzymes were also elevated.

I had done a MAG-10 cycle for 4 weeks at 12 caps a day but had finished the cycle about 2 weeks before the bloodwork was completed. Would the MAG-10 explain the elevated cholesterol & liver enzymes even though it had been about 2 weeks since my last dose?

She asked me to stop taking M and TRIBEX and to stop doing protein shakes for a few weeks and then get my levels tested again. I am ok with everything except the protein shakes. Would you stop the protein shakes?

We did an EKG, Dexa bone density scan of my left hand and a basal metabolic rate test via a breathing machine. My BMR came back at the very hight end of 2722 calories per day. She also ordered an ultra-sound of my testicles and thyroid. She is being very thorough before changing me over to Cypionate at 1 shot every 4 weeks.


#2

Keep the protein. She is doing you a favor on the M and TRIBEX. Your T levels will drop further. Get ready for the shots.


#3

Tough to argue that in my mind. As for protein, you could try to increase more natural sources of protein, especially the natural kind, such as wild-fish, organic / free-range products etc. Personally, I wouldn't worry about protein powders in shakes - but double check on your brand (you're not being cheap, huh?).

Your HDL/Cholesterol ratio is not too shabby IMHO (HDL of 50 is quite respectable in fact), but your Doc is spot-on to raise any elevation of total cholesterol as an area of interest / concern.

Taking out other products at this time is unlikely to do harm, so I would heed your Doctors advice and let time do it's thing; and provide the evidence required for an informed opinion. You can always restart taking a supplement; you can't always undo harm-done. :slightly_smiling:

Also, have you changed your exercise routine significantly? It too can affect cholesterol and hormone levels quite significantly.

Regards,

WiZ


#4

I always use Low-Carb Grow! for my protein shakes and plenty of fish an flax oil. Starting to do a bit of cardio to help lower the LDL's (under 100) but otherwise I have been doing Watrebury's TBT or the Waterbury Method for a year now. I did not think MAG-10 would screw up my lipid levels and liver enzymes for 2 weeks after stopping. I will go off the supplements for 3 weeks and then get restested.


#5

I'm not sure why she would tell you to lay off of the protein.

beef


#6

Delurking to answer you -- May not apply to you, but I am being treated for autoimmune liver disorder and get liver enzymes checked every couple of weeks or so.

W/O asking my doctor I started using a protein shake, my enzymes went up. Turns out it was "enhanced' with Creatine. . . Doctor said stop drinking that -- go to a 100% whey product. I did, and Enzymes went back down.

YMMV


#7

Of course MAG-10 will supress your natural testosterone production.

There's no need to drop the proteinshakes, but do lay off the TRIBEX and M to decrease your testosterone levels even more.

Ask your doctor to prescribe you more frequent shots. I'd inject once weekly, preferably twice.


#8

I thought, apparently I was wrong, that taking two weeks off of MAG-10 and using M and TRIBEX would bounce me back to "normal" levels and my liver enzymes and cholesterol would be back in the normal ranges as well.

My last T levels of 229/5.8 free are while having been on 5mg per day of Testim gel for 3 months but not having done that days application yet, per the docs instruction. If I can't get the doc to do the 200-400mg of Cypionate once every 3 weeks shots (TC's and Tim Patterson's recommendation) I may just have to self medicate. I only want to get back to the high end of the normal range for T levels.

Great responses from the Nation. Thanks.


#9

Me either. If it wasn't for the 3 Low-Carb Grow! and fish/flax/olive oil shakes a day that I do, I would probably drop back down to about 165 or less in no time flat. I am a chronic undereater and the liquid meals are the only way I have been able to up the daily cals.

I am NOT stopping the protein.