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[quote]100meters wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Obama is such a piece of shit. Nothing but attack attack attack from him.

You’re being facetious… right? …right?

Have you been paying attention? His campaign is built on empty words about change and attacks on his opponents.

He should have taken the opportunity to clarify his position that he supports high energy prices but he would rather not for obvious reasons.

It’s not just that Mr. Obama constantly attack his opponents positions, he offers nothing specific that he he would do himself to solve the issue. Nothing other than “hope” and “change”.

That you don’t like his position, doesn’t mean he is lacking one.

Note: The republican position on energy the last 8 years has thankfully brought us $4 plus gasoline. So apparently the strategies of “nothing” and “despair” can be put to the side for “change”.

In other words you voted for the folks that brought us to today. And logically attack tomorrow’s “unknown” plan.

Funny stuff.[/quote]

The Republican position has been to drill for fucking oil!!! Remember ANWR?

Do you really think the Oil companies want cheap oil. All drilling in America will do is screw the Arabs , that is not such a bad Idea

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Obama is such a piece of shit. Nothing but attack attack attack from him.

You’re being facetious… right? …right?

Have you been paying attention? His campaign is built on empty words about change and attacks on his opponents.

He should have taken the opportunity to clarify his position that he supports high energy prices but he would rather not for obvious reasons.

It’s not just that Mr. Obama constantly attack his opponents positions, he offers nothing specific that he he would do himself to solve the issue. Nothing other than “hope” and “change”.

That you don’t like his position, doesn’t mean he is lacking one.

Note: The republican position on energy the last 8 years has thankfully brought us $4 plus gasoline. So apparently the strategies of “nothing” and “despair” can be put to the side for “change”.

In other words you voted for the folks that brought us to today. And logically attack tomorrow’s “unknown” plan.

Funny stuff.

The Republican position has been to drill for fucking oil!!! Remember ANWR?[/quote]

ANWR the totality of their plan huh? I think that makes my point.

Also was McCain a POS in May when his position on coastal drilling was essentially the same as Obama’s, because oil wasn’t that cheap in May.

Also when McCain says:
“be very helpful in the short term resolving our energy crisis.” of coastal drilling, do you laugh out loud at the silliness, or nod your head in agreement?

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Obama is such a piece of shit. Nothing but attack attack attack from him.

You’re being facetious… right? …right?

Have you been paying attention? His campaign is built on empty words about change and attacks on his opponents.

He should have taken the opportunity to clarify his position that he supports high energy prices but he would rather not for obvious reasons.[/quote]

…And such is politics.

You realized a big part of the reason Hilary lost is because she was seen as being far to negative yes?

You realize that the reason Bush beat Kerry is because he attack attack attacked him?

Attacks are a necessary, and disgusting part of politics. To say that, somehow, Obama is unique in this way is preposterous.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Do you really think the Oil companies want cheap oil. All drilling in America will do is screw the Arabs , that is not such a bad Idea [/quote]

Take a look at recent profit margins from the big oil companies, and look at the trends of the last few years. Go ahead and look at the stock prices while you are at it.

The skyrocketing price of crude is killing the companies’ margins. They would love to see cheap oil, especially now that we would welcome with open arems $2 or even $2.50 gas. Their margins would be great if the price of crude dropped back to $70 or so.

Quit blaming the US oil companies, they really are on our side.

[quote]tedro wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Do you really think the Oil companies want cheap oil. All drilling in America will do is screw the Arabs , that is not such a bad Idea

Take a look at recent profit margins from the big oil companies, and look at the trends of the last few years. Go ahead and look at the stock prices while you are at it.

The skyrocketing price of crude is killing the companies’ margins. They would love to see cheap oil, especially now that we would welcome with open arems $2 or even $2.50 gas. Their margins would be great if the price of crude dropped back to $70 or so.

Quit blaming the US oil companies, they really are on our side.[/quote]

the last I read Oil companies were posting record profits

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
tedro wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Do you really think the Oil companies want cheap oil. All drilling in America will do is screw the Arabs , that is not such a bad Idea

Take a look at recent profit margins from the big oil companies, and look at the trends of the last few years. Go ahead and look at the stock prices while you are at it.

The skyrocketing price of crude is killing the companies’ margins. They would love to see cheap oil, especially now that we would welcome with open arems $2 or even $2.50 gas. Their margins would be great if the price of crude dropped back to $70 or so.

Quit blaming the US oil companies, they really are on our side.

the last I read Oil companies were posting record profits

[/quote]

So?

Are you against companies making a profit? And how much is too much profit for a company to make? Who will determine this limit on profit?..

[quote]100meters wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Obama is such a piece of shit. Nothing but attack attack attack from him.

You’re being facetious… right? …right?

Have you been paying attention? His campaign is built on empty words about change and attacks on his opponents.

He should have taken the opportunity to clarify his position that he supports high energy prices but he would rather not for obvious reasons.

It’s not just that Mr. Obama constantly attack his opponents positions, he offers nothing specific that he he would do himself to solve the issue. Nothing other than “hope” and “change”.

That you don’t like his position, doesn’t mean he is lacking one.

Note: The republican position on energy the last 8 years has thankfully brought us $4 plus gasoline. So apparently the strategies of “nothing” and “despair” can be put to the side for “change”.

In other words you voted for the folks that brought us to today. And logically attack tomorrow’s “unknown” plan.

Funny stuff.[/quote]

What a bullshit political hack of a post. I must needs throw the bullshit flag on this one…

[quote]bigflamer wrote:
100meters wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Obama is such a piece of shit. Nothing but attack attack attack from him.

You’re being facetious… right? …right?

Have you been paying attention? His campaign is built on empty words about change and attacks on his opponents.

He should have taken the opportunity to clarify his position that he supports high energy prices but he would rather not for obvious reasons.

It’s not just that Mr. Obama constantly attack his opponents positions, he offers nothing specific that he he would do himself to solve the issue. Nothing other than “hope” and “change”.

That you don’t like his position, doesn’t mean he is lacking one.

Note: The republican position on energy the last 8 years has thankfully brought us $4 plus gasoline. So apparently the strategies of “nothing” and “despair” can be put to the side for “change”.

In other words you voted for the folks that brought us to today. And logically attack tomorrow’s “unknown” plan.

Funny stuff.

What a bullshit political hack of a post. I must needs throw the bullshit flag on this one…

[/quote]

No, this is factually just outright lying:

“he offers nothing specific that he he would do himself to solve the issue. Nothing other than “hope” and “change”.”

Calling you on it not actually political see?

While you are free to outright lie it seems silly to throw more crap on your already steaming pile of manure.

The fact is we’re sitting on enough oil to be energy independent for the next 50 years (see below).

So while you guys are riding your bikes waiting on your proton packs … personally I’d like some diesel to put in my truck. Drill now please.

Congress’ Crude Squeeze

By INVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Thursday, June 12, 2008 4:20 PM PT

Energy: Oil is selling as if the world is running out of crude. It’s not. In this country alone there is at least 118 billion barrels of recoverable but untapped oil, a bit more than Iraq’s estimated reserves.

IBD Series: Breaking The Back Of High Oil

That 118 billion barrels is an estimate made by the American Petroleum Institute using data from the Bureau of Land Management and the Minerals Management Service. Data compiled by Richard Watson, BLM’s lead scientist, from those same federal agencies boost the estimate to 215 billion barrels.

Compare that with Saudi Arabia, known as the world’s richest oil nation, which is judged to hold 262 billion barrels.

What makes these U.S. calculations even more promising is that neither considers the full potential of the Bakken Formation, located in the Williston Basin that stretches through Montana, North Dakota and Saskatchewan.

The latest forecast indicates that there are 3.7 billion barrels of oil that are recoverable from the Bakken Formation. However, there is much more liquid crude there. The speculation begins at 500 billion barrels and goes as high as 2 trillion barrels. Most of it is hard to reach, though. Trapped between and below two miles of shale, it is difficult to recover at today’s prices with today’s technologies.

But extraction technology advancements �?? the estimates of recoverable oil in the Bakken formation went from 151 million barrels in 1995 to 3.7 billion barrels a day due to breakthrough technology �?? and the rising cost of oil increase the amount of crude that’s available.

The biggest obstacle to putting more domestic oil in the pipeline is not economics or tech hurdles, though. It is the pro-OPEC, Democratic-majority, maddeningly irrational U.S. Congress. Oil companies, whose investments in the Bakken Formation have been stranded, are hamstrung by a congressional moratorium on developing oil shale fields on federal lands, where much of the crude is found.

But that’s not the only potential supply that Washington has placed off-limits. Congress is blocking development of oil fields in:
�?� Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. The range of recoverable oil in ANWR runs from 10 billion barrels to nearly 20 billion.
�?� Alaska’s outer continental shelf. There might be 30 billion barrels there.

�?� The lower 48 outer continental shelf. Watson estimates there are 86 billion barrels of crude in the Gulf of Mexico to which access is federally restricted. There’s as much as another 4 billion to 10.3 billion barrels on the Atlantic coast, 11 billion to 13.8 billion on the Pacific coast.

�?� The Green River Formation. Shale oil in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming is different from what’s in the Bakken Formation in that the oil is trapped in the rock itself, not in between and beneath it. A Rand Corporation study says the Green River Formation holds 1.2 trillion to 1.8 trillion barrels of crude.

The average American paying $4 or more for a gallon of gasoline isn’t aware that this nation holds more oil than what is estimated to be available in Saudi Arabia, Iraq (112.5 billion barrels), Iran (89.7 billion), the United Arab Emirates (97.8 billion), Kuwait (96.5 billion) and Venezuela (80 billion).
So that average American is likely to blame Big Oil rather than the real culprits: Congress and the Clinton administration.

The latter vetoed in 1995 a bill that would have opened ANWR to drilling, effectively shutting down a source of crude that would have reached the market by now and had a salutary effect on prices as well as cut into our dependence on foreign crude.
The former obstinately refuses to do anything to increase domestic output, instead resorting to show trial hearings with oil executives and threats to tax the energy industry as if it were levying a monetary fine on criminal behavior.

If the U.S. is to relieve its energy headaches, change is needed in Washington. But not the kind of change that Sen. Barack Obama and his love-struck devotees are demanding. That would just make the problems worse.

[quote]100meters wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
100meters wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Obama is such a piece of shit. Nothing but attack attack attack from him.

You’re being facetious… right? …right?

Have you been paying attention? His campaign is built on empty words about change and attacks on his opponents.

He should have taken the opportunity to clarify his position that he supports high energy prices but he would rather not for obvious reasons.

It’s not just that Mr. Obama constantly attack his opponents positions, he offers nothing specific that he he would do himself to solve the issue. Nothing other than “hope” and “change”.

That you don’t like his position, doesn’t mean he is lacking one.

Note: The republican position on energy the last 8 years has thankfully brought us $4 plus gasoline. So apparently the strategies of “nothing” and “despair” can be put to the side for “change”.

In other words you voted for the folks that brought us to today. And logically attack tomorrow’s “unknown” plan.

Funny stuff.

What a bullshit political hack of a post. I must needs throw the bullshit flag on this one…

No, this is factually just outright lying:

“he offers nothing specific that he he would do himself to solve the issue. Nothing other than “hope” and “change”.”

Calling you on it not actually political see?

While you are free to outright lie it seems silly to throw more crap on your already steaming pile of manure.[/quote]

More bullshit hackery from you. Obama offers nothing to relieve the crushing weight of the energy crisis that is killing the economy right now. Just a bunch of crap involving cap and trade, investment in bio fuels, and a shit ton of more government regulation w/r/t feul economy standards, building codes, bla, bla, bla…

Jesus this guy is fucking scary in what he believes. Leftist hippie environmentalism will NOT help the American economy right now. Drilling for more oil and increasing the number of refineries will. Sadly, I think you know this and just won’t admit it.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
tedro wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Do you really think the Oil companies want cheap oil. All drilling in America will do is screw the Arabs , that is not such a bad Idea

Take a look at recent profit margins from the big oil companies, and look at the trends of the last few years. Go ahead and look at the stock prices while you are at it.

The skyrocketing price of crude is killing the companies’ margins. They would love to see cheap oil, especially now that we would welcome with open arems $2 or even $2.50 gas. Their margins would be great if the price of crude dropped back to $70 or so.

Quit blaming the US oil companies, they really are on our side.

the last I read Oil companies were posting record profits

[/quote]

Profit MARGINS, not profits. We should actually be singing praises to the oil companies for their abilities to keep prices as low as they have despite the record jumps in crude.

[quote]tedro wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
tedro wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Do you really think the Oil companies want cheap oil. All drilling in America will do is screw the Arabs , that is not such a bad Idea

Take a look at recent profit margins from the big oil companies, and look at the trends of the last few years. Go ahead and look at the stock prices while you are at it.

The skyrocketing price of crude is killing the companies’ margins. They would love to see cheap oil, especially now that we would welcome with open arems $2 or even $2.50 gas. Their margins would be great if the price of crude dropped back to $70 or so.

Quit blaming the US oil companies, they really are on our side.

the last I read Oil companies were posting record profits

Profit MARGINS, not profits. We should actually be singing praises to the oil companies for their abilities to keep prices as low as they have despite the record jumps in crude.
[/quote]

NO! NO! NO! NO! It can’t be!! they’re all evil dontcha’ know. And thank god we have a candidate like Obama, someone willing to tax them like the criminals they are.

Those bastards and their profits!

[quote]bigflamer wrote:
wirewound wrote:
You think you can drill your way out?

Increased domestic drilling is a major part of the solution, yes.

Read your history. Energy empires always die because they cling to old tech.

It happened to the Netherlands when they tried to cling to water/air energy. It happened to Britain when it tried to hang on to coal.

Now it’s happening to us as we try to hang on to oil. Entrenched energy interests will keep us tied to oil while the next energy empire rises in the East.

Like China, and their ever increasing use of…oil? Or China’s increased drilling in the south China Sea for…oil?

There’s plenty of oil to last the world until we can develop the next reliable energy source. We just need to be willing to drill it.

[/quote]

Probably China eventually. Maybe India.

Like I said, read your history. We are wedded to a dying energy source.

I have an iPod that puts all of my music in a tiny box with room to spare, but we’re still getting around on dead dinosaur juice? WTF?

[quote]100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Obama is such a piece of shit. Nothing but attack attack attack from him.

You’re being facetious… right? …right?

Have you been paying attention? His campaign is built on empty words about change and attacks on his opponents.

He should have taken the opportunity to clarify his position that he supports high energy prices but he would rather not for obvious reasons.

It’s not just that Mr. Obama constantly attack his opponents positions, he offers nothing specific that he he would do himself to solve the issue. Nothing other than “hope” and “change”.

That you don’t like his position, doesn’t mean he is lacking one.

Note: The republican position on energy the last 8 years has thankfully brought us $4 plus gasoline. So apparently the strategies of “nothing” and “despair” can be put to the side for “change”.

In other words you voted for the folks that brought us to today. And logically attack tomorrow’s “unknown” plan.

Funny stuff.

The Republican position has been to drill for fucking oil!!! Remember ANWR?

ANWR the totality of their plan huh? I think that makes my point.

[/quote]

No. What makes you say that? Merely an example of their foresight. We would be in much better shape today if Bush go this way.

[quote]

Also was McCain a POS in May when his position on coastal drilling was essentially the same as Obama’s, because oil wasn’t that cheap in May.

Also when McCain says:
“be very helpful in the short term resolving our energy crisis.” of coastal drilling, do you laugh out loud at the silliness, or nod your head in agreement?[/quote]

You think not drilling will help short term? What the fuck are you thinking at all? Of course drilling out own oil is going to help. Fool.

[quote]tedro wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Do you really think the Oil companies want cheap oil. All drilling in America will do is screw the Arabs , that is not such a bad Idea

Take a look at recent profit margins from the big oil companies, and look at the trends of the last few years. Go ahead and look at the stock prices while you are at it.

The skyrocketing price of crude is killing the companies’ margins. They would love to see cheap oil, especially now that we would welcome with open arems $2 or even $2.50 gas. Their margins would be great if the price of crude dropped back to $70 or so.

Quit blaming the US oil companies, they really are on our side.[/quote]

It is Iran, Saudi Arabia etc that benefit most from these oil prices. Our oil companies would love to extract oil from American sources at a lower price per barrel rather than pay Hugo Chavez $ 13/bbl.

More money in the oil companies pockets, more money in our pockets, less money in dictators pockets.

[quote]tedro wrote:
Profit MARGINS, not profits. We should actually be singing praises to the oil companies for their abilities to keep prices as low as they have despite the record jumps in crude.
[/quote]

They aren’t doing it to help us. ‘They’ aren’t human, and have no obligation to go out of ‘their’ way to help us. ‘They’ only care about the bottom line, and that is A OK.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:

Also was McCain a POS in May when his position on coastal drilling was essentially the same as Obama’s, because oil wasn’t that cheap in May.

Also when McCain says:
“be very helpful in the short term resolving our energy crisis.” of coastal drilling, do you laugh out loud at the silliness, or nod your head in agreement?

You think not drilling will help short term? What the fuck are you thinking at all? Of course drilling out own oil is going to help. Fool.[/quote]

It obviously won’t help short term or long term most likely, you do get how this oil thing works right? Explore (not enough ships to do this, 5 year waiting list, Build Rig, Add infrastructure etc. All to decrease gas by pennies/maybe.

As it stands they have lots of coast to drill and don’t. Why would you at these prices? The goal is to control as much field as possible for future profits.

But no, clearly not a short term solution.

[quote]bigflamer wrote:
100meters wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
100meters wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Obama is such a piece of shit. Nothing but attack attack attack from him.

You’re being facetious… right? …right?

Have you been paying attention? His campaign is built on empty words about change and attacks on his opponents.

He should have taken the opportunity to clarify his position that he supports high energy prices but he would rather not for obvious reasons.

It’s not just that Mr. Obama constantly attack his opponents positions, he offers nothing specific that he he would do himself to solve the issue. Nothing other than “hope” and “change”.

That you don’t like his position, doesn’t mean he is lacking one.

Note: The republican position on energy the last 8 years has thankfully brought us $4 plus gasoline. So apparently the strategies of “nothing” and “despair” can be put to the side for “change”.

In other words you voted for the folks that brought us to today. And logically attack tomorrow’s “unknown” plan.

Funny stuff.

What a bullshit political hack of a post. I must needs throw the bullshit flag on this one…

No, this is factually just outright lying:

“he offers nothing specific that he he would do himself to solve the issue. Nothing other than “hope” and “change”.”

Calling you on it not actually political see?

While you are free to outright lie it seems silly to throw more crap on your already steaming pile of manure.

More bullshit hackery from you. Obama offers nothing to relieve the crushing weight of the energy crisis that is killing the economy right now. Just a bunch of crap involving cap and trade, investment in bio fuels, and a shit ton of more government regulation w/r/t feul economy standards, building codes, bla, bla, bla…

Jesus this guy is fucking scary in what he believes. Leftist hippie environmentalism will NOT help the American economy right now. Drilling for more oil and increasing the number of refineries will. Sadly, I think you know this and just won’t admit it.

[/quote]
Oh, at least you admit your lie, good for you.
Also McCain from May 08 for the same things as Obama. Who you voting for again?

McCain:
“[W]ith those resources, which would take years to develop, you would only postpone or temporarily relieve our dependency on fossil fuels,” McCain said when asked about offshore drilling. “We are going to have to go to alternative energy, and the exploitation of existing reserves of oil, natural gas, even coal, and we can develop clean coal technology, are all great things. But we also have to devote our efforts, in my view, to alternative energy sources, which is the ultimate answer to our long-term energy needs, and we need it sooner rather than later.”

The whole point is this does nothing for us now through the next 10 years at least with little to no impact on prices. McCain knew it for a day at least. Then he forgot it.

Note also McCain’s recent ad, he’s for cap and trade, and reduced carbon emissions, which happens how?

So yeah your faking as bad as Zap now.

[quote]wirewound wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
wirewound wrote:
You think you can drill your way out?

Increased domestic drilling is a major part of the solution, yes.

Read your history. Energy empires always die because they cling to old tech.

It happened to the Netherlands when they tried to cling to water/air energy. It happened to Britain when it tried to hang on to coal.

Now it’s happening to us as we try to hang on to oil. Entrenched energy interests will keep us tied to oil while the next energy empire rises in the East.

Like China, and their ever increasing use of…oil? Or China’s increased drilling in the south China Sea for…oil?

There’s plenty of oil to last the world until we can develop the next reliable energy source. We just need to be willing to drill it.

Probably China eventually. Maybe India.

Like I said, read your history. We are wedded to a dying energy source.

I have an iPod that puts all of my music in a tiny box with room to spare, but we’re still getting around on dead dinosaur juice? WTF?[/quote]

Your iPod is made from petroleum based products. Shipped to you using transport burning petroleum products. Stored in warehouses and retail stores heated, cooled, and built from items using petroleum based products.