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A Nation on the Edge of Revolt


From BigGovenment.com. I see a lot of posts like these now. What do you fellows think? Many comments follow post.


Ernest S. Christian and Gary A. Roberts wonder aloud whether the power grabs of the Obama Administration and the ruling class mentality of entrenched Democrat and Republican political machines will lead to a second Revolutionary War.

I'll lay it out bluntly for you; either the American peopleâ??not extremists, but good and decent patriots like your neighbors and yourselvesâ??will revolt and destroy the rulingclass and reform our government based upon first principles, or the United States we know as our forefather conceived it is dead.

I do not state this as hyperbole. I do not state this to incite violence. I state this as nothing more or less than an observation of both history and current events. While we are a relatively young nation, ourgovernment is the oldest on the planet. Since our founders met in Philadelphia, the French have gone through five republics. Every nation in Europe, Africa, Asia, South America and North America has seen governments rise and fall, but our resilient democratic republic, the "Great Experiment," has soldiered on.

All cultures and governments, however, rot. This inevitably comes from inside, as a cancer. Our politicians view the people as rubes and subjects, and treat them as such. They imagine themselves a rulingclass that exists for their own edification, at the expense of the nation as a whole.

When nations reach this point, they either collapse, or the people reform or replace their governments.

We have arrived at that time. Reform increasingly seems to be a fleeting option. Republicans and Democrats differ only in how they plan to loot the public coffers. Our present Congress andAdministration are merely more transparent in their corruption and disdain than their predecessors.

Our would-be ruling class has abandoned the principles that founded this nation. They are attempting to establish a state of affairs where the people serve thegovernment and the government determines your success or failure. Corruption no longer matters. Sovereignty no longer matters. The rule of law no longer matters.

They have won in a bloodless coup.

Or so they would like you to think.

Whether they actually win or not depends upon how much you love your family and your nation and the principles that made this nation great. Our founders themselves believed in the right of revolt, and knew better than any of us that governments must be replaced from time to time. They were wise enough to provide us with a constitutional framework that will outlast anygovernment, including this one. We can dispose of this government, and restore the Constitution that has served us and the rest of the world so well for so long.

We stand at the brink.

We are on the right side of history. Our would-be rulers, fat on self-appointed largesse and drunk on their own purloined power, imagine us subjects, not free men and women.

Revolution is a brutish, nasty business. Innocents will fall along with patriots and the corrupt, and success is not assured.

In a letter to James Warren in 1789, Samuel Adams foresaw our current state.

The question for you, my fellow Americans, is simple.

Will you fight, or will you surrender your liberties?

I pray for peace.

But I prepare for war.



Michelle Obama as Marie Antoinette?

Why in heaven's name would they plan a vacation like this - especially when preaching sacrifice to the nation? Why not vacation on the gulf coast - maybe even (gasp) volunteer to help people down there?

The arrogance and "hypocritcal-ness" is breathtaking.


Even Peggy Noonan describes the US as a "nation at a boiling point."


...articles like this from the UK's Telegraph.

The Obama presidency increasingly resembles a modern-day Ancien R�??�?�©gime: extravagant and out of touch with the American people


What the great French historian Alexis de Tocqueville would make of today�?�¢??s Obama administration were he alive today is anyone�?�¢??s guess. But I would wager that the author of L�?�¢??Ancien R�??�?�©gime and Democracy in America would be less than impressed with the extravagance and arrogance on display among the White House elites that rule America as though they had been handed some divine right to govern with impunity.

It is the kind of impunity that has been highlighted on the world stage this week by Michelle Obama�?�¢??s hugely costly trip to Spain, which has prompted a New York Post columnist Andrea Tantaros to dub the First Lady a contemporary Marie Antoinette. As The Telegraph reports, while the Obamas are covering their own vacation expenses such as accommodation, the trip may cost US taxpayers as much as $375,000 in terms of secret service security and flight costs on Air Force Two.

The timing of this lavish European vacation could not have come at a worse moment, when unemployment in America stands at 10 percent, and large numbers of Americans are fighting to survive financially in the wake of the global economic downturn. It sends a message of indifference, even contempt, for the millions of Americans who are struggling just to feed their families on a daily basis and pay the mortgage, while the size of the national debt balloons to Greek-style proportions.

While the liberal-dominated US mainstream media have largely ignored the story, it is all over the blogosphere and talk radio, and will undoubtedly add to the President�?�¢??s free falling poll ratings. As much as the media establishment turn a blind eye to stories like this, which are major news in the international media, the American public is increasingly turning to alternative news sources, including the British press, which has a far less deferential approach towards the White House.

The First Lady�?�¢??s ill-conceived trip to Marbella and the complete disregard for public opinion and concerns over excessive government spending is symbolic of a far wider problem with the Obama presidency �?�¢?? the overarching disdain for the principles of limited government, individual liberty and free enterprise that have built the United States over the course of nearly two and a half centuries into the most powerful and free nation on earth.

It is epitomised above all by the President�?�¢??s relentless drive towards big government against the will of the American people, and the dramatic increases in government spending and borrowing, which threaten to leave the US hugely in debt for generations. It is also showcased by Barack Obama�?�¢??s drive towards a socialised health care system, which, as I�?�¢??ve noted before, is �?�¢??a thinly disguised vanity project for a president who is committed to transforming the United States from the world�?�¢??s most successful large-scale free enterprise economy, to a highly interventionist society with a massive role for centralized government.�?�¢??

There is however a political revolution fast approaching Washington that is driven not by mob rule but by the power of ideas and principles, based upon the ideals of the Founding Fathers and the US Constitution. It is a distinctly conservative revolution that is sweeping America and is reflected in almost every poll ahead of this November�?�¢??s mid-terms. It is based on a belief in individual liberty, limited government, and above all, political accountability from the ruling elites. The Obama administration�?�¢??s mantra may well be �?�¢??let them eat cake�?�¢??, as it continues to gorge itself on taxpayers�?�¢?? money, but it will be looking nervously over its shoulder as public unease mounts.


"I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore! Tired of the government intruding on my life! I'm so angry I'm going to get out of my chair and........ Oh! The game's on, honey! Get me a beer!"


LOL. Maybe. I don't know for sure. But my sense is that many, many Americans are fired up and willing to get out there. Given the way the administration has been baiting and dividing people, and proceeding with its "mission" despite the will of the American people....to me it feels a bit like a tinder box.

Incidentally, I met James O'Keefe this weekend at a Conference - 25 year old guy who is truly challenging the "powers that be," and with great success. He also gave a talk there - it was very inspiring. Amazing what a guy with a camera and a bit of hutzpa can do.

He told me how he got started - it was getting Lucky Charms out of the cafeteria because it's racist (he's Irish.)

One the the things that really struck me is how he kept saying: "I couldn't say anything (in all his projects) that would shock people, that would make them shrink in horror; nothing horrifies these people; it's as if nothing is too absurd or wrong. They have no revulsion of evil."

It's almost like he's staring into the abyss.

Anyway, things are happening; and people are getting out there. Be a part of it.


Someone Responding on the Same Blog:

"Funny that when Bush and the Republicans were doubling the national debt, trampling civil liberties, and making up reasons to invade sovereign nations there were no Tea Parties and no talk of "revolution."

"Now, all of a sudden you've reached the breaking point and America as we know it is finished unless the government is overthrown". I'll ask you the same question I ask every Tea Partier griping about out-of-control spending and having their constitutional rights taken away:

"Where were you for 8 years"?

Posted by: Desperado at July 31, 2010 12:23 PM


Dumb argument gets dumb answer...because they want to?


Bush was wrong sometimes. Obama hates this nation. That is the defining difference. As bad as the GOP has been there is simply no comparison to an administration and congress that is attempting to harm the United States by design. You'll get this Muf. I'm still holdin out hope. There is an element of validity in this incessant attempt to smear the parties together, but this last 2 years removed all doubt that what's left of the democrat party would be unrecognizable to JFK and is in fact just about everything he fought as president. The sooner people break down and face the fact that they have put an enemy in the whitehouse the better off they will be.


this shit always makes me chuckle.

when i was 18, i quickly realized i had zero interest in both parties and didnt feel the slightest bit represented by any of the candidates they could field. also was able to connect the fairly obvious and easy dots together to realize that they are nearly one in the same, separated by small and unimportant policies but choose to amplify them as much as possible in attempt to differentiate themselves. sort of like diets and supplements.

i was also told this idea was rubbish and soon i'd grow up, likely vote republican when i make some decent change. now im making a tad more than decent change, still not voting republican or dem for that matter.

now this guy whose probably twice my age is telling me the same thing. odds are, if 18 year old me repeated that post back to him 6 years ago, he would have called it rubbish as well.


they were busy voting republican 8 years ago.


IMO, it's worse when a party that supposedly stands for true American Republicanism betrays that, even if they don't have explicitly leftist designs for the country. At least the Democrats are somewhat open about their aggressive government plans. The Republicans are more sneaky.

That being said, I think the whole, "Where were you 8 years ago?" line is tired and complete bullshit. They are here now, and many of them realize their mistakes, while some unfortunately don't. I can't stand irrational hatred of the Tea Party even though I'm not necessarily a huge fan of them myself.



And as for the question "Where were they 8 years ago," here's the answer. Perhaps not quite 8 years ago, but 4 years ago the economy was in good shape. People were working and didn't have time to sit around and weave conspiracy theories. Now that the economy is in the shitter, people not only have more time on their hands, but they're disenfranchised. I don't blame them - being out of work sucks. So they spend their time on the Internet plotting a rebellion.

Here's the real deal: the economy moves in cycles. Doesn't matter who's President or who's in Congress, the economy will go up and down. This can't be avoided no matter what. Intervention by the government and Federal Reserve might slow things down or somewhat soften a downturn, but some have argued that government action doesn't really do much of anything. But the economy eventually recovers. This has been a particularly long recession, and although there are signs of a recovery, the recovery has been particularly slow. But things will rebound. These "revolutionaries" will eventually get jobs, they'll be happy, they won't have time to sulk and bitch on the Internet, and all will be well again. Until the next downturn. That's how things go.


Care to place a wager on that, the EU was breaking apart before the EU government started buying up toxic assets(only delaying the pain). You got California the 8th largest economy in the world about to declare bankruptcy, you have Fanny and Freddy now eating billions of dollar's each quarter trying to cover their losses, you had the doubling of the money supply.

What we are witnessing is the end of Keynsian economics. Their is no recovery, their was no recovery from the dot com bubble, all they did was make a housing bubble that blew up and now they are blowing up the bond bubble(which will result in us turning to the lender of last resort the federal reserve), this is not a conspiracy theory this is just basic understanding of economics.

When people have nothing else to lose they lose it. I think when people realize the republicans coming back into office are going to change nothing(with the exception of a few) they are going to lose it.

Listen if I told you 3 years ago that you would see millions of americans rising up, and educating themselves would you have believed it?


I agree with Mufasa (or the post he's quoting).

The eight years prior to Obama were just as bad as this, and set many of the precedence for executive power that now allow Obama to do what he's doing. If all those who are now screaming "The sky is falling" had been half as critical of Bush as they are now of Obama, we'd be in a much different, and far better place as a nation.

The amount of pure denial on the right about the damage the Bush administration did to our constitution and our country is amazing. And it smacks of a lack of principle. I'm still totally convinced that as soon as the same-old, mainstream Republican party re-takes congress, this entire movement will come to a grinding halt, and will completely disappear once there's another mainstream, "family values", big spending Republican in the White House again.

In fact, I bet most of the people crying bloody murder at Obama would vote for Bush again, today. In fact, there are polls out confirming this.


That is not anger that is the puppet masters pulling the strings on the Republican party


Playing red-zone defense against a possible Gore or Kerry presidency?


C'mon people. As long as we are still saying "Bush this and Clinton that" we will never make any progress. Both left and right are for the expansion of govt and their influence on our daily lives. It's that simple. Neither party represents the majority of Americans. Both are bought and paid for by corporations that control this country and world policies.

Ever heard of the Bilderberg group? Google it. People have been screaming this for years. Nobody listened because they had a nice truck and a big TV to watch football on. The blame game needs to shift direction, quickly. I agree with the OP. I am seeing more and more articles about American's on the brink.

The problem is most don't know where to aim their frustration due to the rubbish spit out by the main stream media, also owned by the corporations and economic elite. It is very exciting to see people getting educated and involved. More so it is fantastic that so many of them are young professionals and recent college grads that have plenty of voting years left.

This trend is probably attributable to "I followed the rules, went into debt to get an education, and am now unemployed and getting a crummy start on my career." Who wouldn't look for answers at that point? "Where were the tea partiers 8 years ago?" They were there, just not in the numbers seen today.

The best solution that I can see to all of this is voting every representative out. It will cost a boat load for the corporations to buy all the new faces. If policies don't change with new reps, then we can talk about American's going berserk.


saw this on a site and had to share.

PeteDaMeat wrote:
I do not like this Uncle Sam, I do not like his health care scam. I do not like these dirty crooks, or how they lie and cook the books. I do not like when Congress steals, I do not like their secret deals. I do not like this speaker, Nan , I do not like this 'YES WE CAN.' I do not like this spending spree, I'm smart, I know that nothing's free. I do not like your smug replies, when I complain about your lies. I do not like this kind of hope. I do not like it, nope, nope, nope!


Sounds like you live in the worst country on the planet.. Poor guys!


It was great, then European ideals followed and now this.


Yeah, those f****ng ideals.. Leave those to us :slight_smile: