[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
[quote]Paradise Lost wrote:
has been on and off lifting for awhile
I have had lots of injuries and weight loss and then high gain so I am starting from a very weak base with some existing shoulder problems.[/quote]
Based on these two things alone, you’d definitely benefit from a pre-designed, well-structured program.
At that point, there’s essentially no difference. Morbid obesity is morbid obesity. Are you currently 21 yrs old, 5’9", and 205, as per your profile info?
You’re already big, so maybe you should be more specific in your goals.
One of the strangest sentences I’ve seen on this site in a while. For sure, not everyone here is shooting for cover model abs and bodybuilder biceps, but literally not caring whether or not you get fatter, especially when you’re already so seriously overweight, is irresponsible, non-sensical, and counter-productive is almost every sense (unless you’re already an experienced competitive powerlifter who uses their large belly as a strategic leverage point and ROM shortener in competition).
Dude, you could drop 30 pounds and still not have abs, so don’t worry about that. What, exactly, is your goal. Bench 500? Weigh 270 regardless of waist size?
This is the last kind of lifting someone with “some existing shoulder problems” should be doing. So, again, get on a good program. I get the feeling you’re looking for us to encourage your lack of attention to effective training and nutrition for the sake of “getting/staying big”.[/quote]
Hey Chris thank you for your reply.
Yes those are my stats. I am 5,9 - 205.
I have gained a lot of the weight from just being injured and not really worrying about weight gain. I got lots of stretch marks as a kid from constantly changing weight. I would do cross country running and triathlons for 6 months swell as football and then the rest of the year would be doing no exercise. Since then I had huge stretch marks all over my body from stomach to legs etc so I never really cared if I got big.
I did cut down a few years ago I got quite low body fat and had 4 visible abs but I looked small and I had so many stretch marks and scars being super lean didn’t look very good.
As for my goals, I want to start powerlifting, I have seen a fed I am looking to start competing in. I want to get as strong as possible in those regards. I also want a big body, Brandon lilly before he cut down is probably my favourite physique coupled with incredible strength.
As for my outlook seeming odd, I do understand I am odd, in general, but especially with my body image and how I feel about it. I see people crave the shredded look and most guys i train with at the gym do it so they can look a certain way in order to seem more appealing. My goal is not for anyone, I have the only woman I want in my life and she is not shallow and is fine with me being whatever shape and size I want.
I am determined to get big and get very strong and all the people I have ever seen do it all bulked and got “fat” to do it. As for training lots of people but especially Jim wendler often talks about how he found his own way in regards to lifting, Lamar Gant talked about how he trained in a way people often thought stupid, he would often try and beat his 20 rep maxes and would train by feel.
I understand you are a smart and experienced lifter (and nice enough to bother to help new guys) but everything i have heard from people I aspire to be like goes against rigid routines made by other people and everything i have seen in the gym and on forums seems to show that guys who cut once they see a bit of fat and are constantly cutting and bulking seem to always stay below 200 pounds and never progress.
Again thanks for taking the time to respond and I am genuinely appreciative and open to new ideas and feedback.