90% of Children with Down Syndrome are Aborted

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
If you have to ask which game you were playing, you do not realize OR your tyring to be dense. I will take the previous option.

Again please, which portion was I conflicting?

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Ummmm… Where you said the penalty for having an abortion in Chile was life in prison? What I quoted on the last page. That’s not remotely true, their penal code specifically states a short term sentence will be given to a woman who consents to an abortion.

You seem to be interested in being condescending for the sake of being condescending (Gee I wonder why you asked about my education?) when I asked you a simple question about what you wanted to see happen.

Anyways, this is my last post addressed to you, I’m not going to waste anymore time.

So anyways I would like to hear what the other pro-lifers in here think - Tribulus, Cortes and Sloth (if you’re still here):

What exactly do you want to see happen? If abortion is made illegal, what penalty should a woman who receive for consenting to an abortion?

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

  1. if you need to put me on ignore I understand

  2. No all I was asking for was clarification of what you wanted to see happen. Then we went on a tangent on Chile.

  3. not arguing anything just wanted clarification

  4. 4 year degree in Econ & finance and working towards 2 accounting designations. Working on the US CPA.[/quote]

If you have a 4 year degree you should know by now to only use reputable non-bias sources such as exposingthelie.com and lifesitenews.com[/quote]

This I agree with.

I often wonder about some of these people who are one side of a controversial issue for most of their life then all of a sudden have an epiphany and jump over to the other side.

I mean just look at the woman featured on that exposing the lie site that was posted. She volunteered at PP, is a former director and even had 2 abortions herself! TWO!

Then she magically transforms into a pro-life activist, writes a book about her experience which eventually becomes a national best seller. I find it quite curious that this epiphany she had lead her to such financial gain. Maybe it’s coincidence, or maybe there’s just a lot of money in being a total fraud.

[quote]Cortes wrote:
So I’ll ask it for a third time now: Just when, exactly, does a conceived human become a human being?[/quote]

Simply put, I DON’T KNOW AND NEITHER DO YOU. I choose to personally err on the side of caution and assume at conception, but as that’s a pretty big assumption, I’m unwilling to tell people what they should think about abortion.

[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
ZEB,

I prove you wrong consistently, you are clearly just to dumb or stubborn to realize it.[/quote]

Once again you SAY that but we both know that this has never happened. I have an idea since you made the claim post the specifics or shut up. So far you’ve been unable to do either.

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Yeah it should have said 46 (though 45 or 47 is a possibility) I hit the wrong button on my screen.[/quote]

Yes, those buttons can be awfully confusing for a smart guy like you.

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:
So I’ll ask it for a third time now: Just when, exactly, does a conceived human become a human being?[/quote]

Simply put, I DON’T KNOW AND NEITHER DO YOU. I choose to personally err on the side of caution and assume at conception, but as that’s a pretty big assumption, I’m unwilling to tell people what they should think about abortion.[/quote]

Really ?
That’s an easy question though.

“Human” has no objective, universal, scientific meaning besides “a member of the homo sapiens specie”.

Is a fetus a specimen of the homo sapiens specie ?
-Answer : yes

How do we know ?
-DNA test will show it.

“Being” has no objective, universal, scientific meaning besides “an organism”.

Is a fetus an organism ?
-answer : yes

How do we know ?
-It is a contiguous living system. It manifests growth, development, an eukaryotic organization, response to stimuli, and it maintains its own homeostasis.

A zygote is therefore an human being from the moment of conception.

That or “human being” becomes a vague, subjective, philosophical expression.
IE : something we will no more be able to protect effectively.
Not only in the case of zygotes but in many other cases too.

kneedragger,

The argument that you are making is a little bit misdirected. Yes the zygote has all of the DNA it needs to become a full and functioning human being, yes the tissue is human, but it is not a human being yet, it is a potential human being. Think of it like this, your body can spontaneously abort a baby (at a rate of about 20%, for women that know they are pregnant so the number is actually higher), with most of these miscarriages happening within the first 7 weeks. My mother is long dead, but strangely when she died I did not spontaneously abort (sorry), why is that? because I am a full grown human being. If abortion is naturally occurring (as natures way of dealing with issues pre-birth) why would medically assisted abortions be illegal? In fact the numbers seem to suggest that a number of abortions performed each year are on fetuses that the body hasn’t gotten around to terminating on its’ own…yet. The simple fact is that while some abortions ought not to be done (late term healthy fetuses) in many cases medical professionals are just assisting nature with what it already does. If nature viewed a “living embryo” as a fully developed functioning human it would not abort it.

Fun Facts:

red states have higher teen pregnancy rates than blue states (sex ed and contraception seem to play a role)

countries where abortion is illegal have higher rates of abortion than countries where it is legal.

about 50,000 women die each year from unsafe illegal abortions (sisters, wives and mothers) and about 8.5 million suffer severe medical issues (yes I know 30 bazillion babies were aborted just yesterday).

There are a number of reasons for this some internal (hormone issues for example) some external (substance abuse, trauma etc), but at no point in the pro-life agenda do you recommend putting women in bubble wrap and protecting their unborn children from the world around them, and at no point do you suggest that women be mandated to see a physician