A 145 pound guy with a 410 raw bench is not average! The guy has enormous nature-given strength potential that he utilized with adequate training! The average 145 pounder is not getting that no matter the amount of dedication.
Ed Coan squatted 500 after six months of dedicated training as a skinny teenager! Yes, by appearance, he appears to be an average dude, but he was genetically blessed with the right anatomical and physiological peculiarities, in the same way that Spud Webb is! All three of the subjects discussed here are not average!
Kirk Karwoski, though having a pretty damn hulking appearance for a teenager, was already benching 225 at thirteen years old I believe. This is not normal or average and other muscular teenagers cant do that despite how muscular they might be.
For what it's worth, I am not being negative here, nor am I saying people should try their damned hardest to get what they want, whether they succeed or fall short.
I have stated in my personal thread in the BB section just how hard I tried for the one BB show I did as well as the reasons I am not continuing. So I am one-show wonder. However (!), when I was prepping, I did not want to hear a goddamn thing about fake natties, what's possible, what's impossible, whether I'd win, whether I'd not place, etc. I was eating, shitting, sleeping, breathing BB for six months straight with hardly any rest. The only three or four rest days I took, I took them because I actually felt like if I had attended the gym or cardio on those days, I'd freaking collapse! I did all sorts of corny shit to have my mind in the right place, including dressing like Jay Cutler in the gym--you know, shiny, oversized basketballs shorts off the clearance rack at Modell's, a Cutler autographed hat, and expensive sneakers, lol)--as well as sporting a Rusty Jeffers-inspired handlebar mustache. I was up at 4:30 doing cardio before breakfast. Towards the end, I'd literally be hunched over sitting on my stairs sometimes before cardio, near tears with my head in my lap. Anyone can ask about the phone calls I gave Arash, Stu, or Rob, near tears, for good laughs! And how they laughed when they'd see my handlebar mustache.
I had pictures of the people whose condition I envy, mostly the IFBB pro and Olympia competitor Hamdulla Aykutlu, even though I would never, ever, look like him! Seriously, looking back, I let almost nothing deter me from getting in shape. Like I said in my thread, and as corny as it sounds, I constantly said to myself, "I don't care if I win or lose! Everyone there, the judges, the other guys, the audience are going to know that I suffered and I'm certainly not showing up there without looking like I belong up there!" I said, "I am not a pro, but I will treat this as a pro!"
The result: something I thought I'd never accomplish, and something I was VERY pleased with: I got shredded and won the damn thing! Plus I wound up with a body, though not the greatest body, certainly one that I thought I couldn't get.
So, I am all for doing whatever the heck one has to do to reach a goal or in trying to do so! Even if one fails, trying their damned hardest will get them further along than focusing on what can't be done! That's why I do not pay attention to the whole goddamn FFMI of 26 shit and the fake natty shit. @dt79 Whatever the fuck the limit is, there's no use in paying attention to them! BUT.. there are indeed limits. And I was not going to get in Brian Whitacre's shape just from my efforts and dedication.
I do not say this here to be self-aggrandizing, as my real-life friends on here (Rob, Stu, Arash, Chris) can attest that I am actually more self-effacing and not negative or to stir shit up with people, and I exhort anyone here to at least TRY VERY HARD for what they want, as I think they will all wind up farther than they expected to with such effort. I respect all here. We just disagree on some things.