It does, significantly. If the pill just got me to the head of the pack but left the possibility to increase the lead I would keep working. I might even work harder, simply out of eagerness to see how far I could push things.
I guess i dont know what the grind is. I will someday i hope though. (So far Iāve been willing to miss hanging out with friends or doing other shit etc to eat or train) it doesnt really affect me that much. Im an unsocial person who likes to stick by themself a high % of the time// its hard for me to socialise with people. I like to train and like being able to block away every other aspect of my life and have control over something for once. I I like busting prs or getting stronger and be able to achieve things in the gym. So yeah i dont think in the future i will ever hate having to train. I dont mind missing out on shit.
(when i have kids and a family like you guys do and more responsibilities then perhaps so, i cant say for sure)
One of My main points i was trying to express and il use with your desire for winning and the pill is- wouldnt winning not really matter that much since you wouldnt have earnt it. You train to win. If you just win at everything without doing anything then wouldnāt there be no purpose in competing- then no satisfactiom from winning?
I get that youāve spent many years and the time, effort and sacrificies youāve put in to the lifting life is alot.
That changes my thoughts a heck of alot if id take the pill or not . If the pill was just making me instantly the strongest with no room for improvement that would be boring for me, with chance to get even better i could still train with purpose.
Id still rather a pill that would instead give me the genetic potential to deadlift 1500ibs, rather then one that would allow me to instantly achieve it.
Iām pretty sure going to school would count as the grind.
Im conflicted, is this sarcasm or serious? Lol.
I disagree. The grind isnāt choosing between 5 things you enjoy doing. ie. I could hang out with friends, play xbox, go to movies, chill with the gf, or go to the gym.
The grind is choosing to wake up earlier to get in the gym, so you can still take your kids to school. Or, having a torn ACL and still training legs so you donāt lose strength.
Merely choosing which fun activity Iād rather do is not a grind.
Cant school still be a small part of the grind? I think theres certain aspects of it.
What about something like me sitting for the whole of recess and lunch at school eating a bigass meal and everyone thinking your a weird fuck and picking on you for it because nobody hardly eats food. Its considered āuncoolā. But i continue doing it anyway for the gains. Does that count?
Sure.
My ears are burning, haha.
But yeah, I agree. Never needed to grind something fun.
As to the original question, I think the majority of men in their prime have the physical attributes necessary to pull 600 with years of dedicated training. But 99+% of them will not b/c it isnāt important to them, and for the few percentage points who care about the deadlift, most lack the mental toughness to get there. That leaves 600 pullers, in the big scheme of things, as freaks.
I turn 50 this year. Been training just under 4 years. A year ago I pulled 529 in competition, and am over 550 now. I believe Iāll get 600 within a year, maybe 2, but the gains are slowing down considerably (but my squat and bench are going up nicely).
At 5ā9", an old fekker, and at 198 lbs if I can legitimately push for 600 I think most on this thread should be able to as well.
Hereās the comp pull
You can call it that if you want. At age 15 your ideas on such things are not rooted in experience. Thatās not an insult, thatās stating the obvious notion that you simply havenāt had the opportunity to provide for yourself, provide for others and still find time and energy to train hard, consistently and productively over a long period of time through all of the physical, mental, emotional and financial setbacks life can throw at you.
Iāll take a stretching pill too, btw. Big time saver.
Dude, itās very simple.
Stop going to the gym and get off the internet. Go study 6 hours a day. Spend all your waking hours only thinking about your studies. The rest of your day, read up on current affairs, finance, politics etc.
End goal: Law or Medical Scool.
Thatās the grind for you.
If I could have taken a pill to get all the skill and knowledge I got at schoolā¦ man, Iād have swallowed that before the strong muscle one!!! LOL
This thread is really interesting, both the original topic and where itās gone now. As another young person Iām not sure if I would take a pill for instant strength and size or not. I would definitely take a pill to become the best at my chosen career or advance it in anyway though. I think this is because I care about that more than the gym and want to be the best at it in the same way some do in their respective sports or lifting. Not to mention it takes up more of my time than the gym does.
If like someone mentioned, I could be incredibly strong and still get stronger, without risk of injury then I would definitely be more inclined to take that pill. I think if I couldnāt get any stronger I would get bored and/or frustrated and stop trying eventually.
Iāll have to think about this some more.
it would be awesome. Thatās the mentality youāre not relating to. Winning. Is. Everything. To me, and people who are like me. I would love it. Maybe itās because Iāve won things, so I know what itās like. It can be an addiction. Winning, in and of itself, has a tremendous amount of value to a section of the population.
Just more evidence that you donāt get it. no it doesnāt. youāre just finding yourself as a teenager. Most of us went through that one way or another. I was bullied for most of my life. I was also 125 lbs when I graduated high school, so it was obviously for other reasons that trying to get strong, lol. I was a nerd. I did weird shit that I got picked on for. I got beat up because I was playing with X Men trading cards at recess or lunch. Or playing pokemon games. That doesnāt make those things a grind, that means I was doing the things I wanted to do, and the trade off was getting bullied. You were getting picked on before, right? This isnāt a new thing that just started because you started eating big meals? You donāt get to suddenly call it part of the grind, if it was gonna happen one way or the other.
For me today, the grind is showing up every day to work to keep my multi million dollar company afloat, dealing with the multitude of headaches that come with that, raising a 3 year old son, having the energy to come home from work and give him all the attention, play, and education he needs, while also making time to make a 35 minute trip each way to my gym to lift weights, when most nights I simply donāt want to. Thatās the key, man. I donāt wanna do it. It took years to lose the passion for just showing up. But now, if Iām not training for a competition, I just wonāt even show up. Itās a grind because I donāt want to devote that time to the gym. Iād rather be with my son. Or my girlfriend and her daughter. Or having a drink with friends. Or getting a decent night of sleep If I didnāt have the goals that I have, I can promise you, I would never set foot in a gym again. I enjoy my time when Iām in the gym, but itās BECAUSE Iām getting results.
I would like to amend my previous analysis on the 600lbs deadlift based on this: Austin Smith, Michigan Teen, Lifts 2,000-Pound Vehicle Off Trapped Grandpa (VIDEO) | HuffPost Good News
Potentially this is fake news and itās not a true deadlift (probably a partial from both ends) but it does suggest that muscle mass might not be as important as neural adaption.
So, assuming this is not fake news and assuming the kid isnāt freakishly strong naturally, Iāll say most able bodied men can build the requisite muscle mass to complete a 600lbs deadlift.
I will now say that whether they can comes down to priorities and application.
Can you explain how you went from seeing this and coming to the conclusion you have come to?
Youāve seen what I look like, right? And you know what I do?
I missed a 595 deadlift in competition on Saturday, under absolutely ideal conditions.
How in the world do you apply this anecdote to a) the population at large in any way, and b) to the basic concept of deadlifting 600 lbs. Sample size is 1, and this is literally nothing like the task of deadlifting 600. I feel like your understand of the mechanics of what happened in this story are very, very flawed if it leads you to believe what you seem to.
Seriously, Iām baffled. Youāre smarter than this usually.
Thank you for bringing (back) some perspective to this discussion. Way back when, I posted that CT stated that he has never deadlifted 600 lbs, and he aināt no slouchā¦ That got lost quickly.
My question is, which is rarer in your observation -600 lb deadlift, or just straight out 3x BW deadlift?
My position was that to deadlift 600lbs, you need:
- The ability to perform the lift
- The muscle mass to over come the 600lbs
- The ability to recruit that muscle mass to actually lift the weight.
I was comfortable to say 1 and 3 were doable by anyone but couldnāt make the call on 2.
This case study demonstrates that given the right stimulus a little bit of muscle can generate the force required (even if this kid is all arms and legs and it was a shortened ROM - that was 2000lbs).
Is anyone going to reach the emotional state that kid was in on a platform? Absolutely not, but they donāt need to because most will be able to build more muscle.
For yourself, I think if you made deadlifting your number 1 priority for 5 years, youād get there easily.
Another factor is longevity. I didnāt consider this and Iāve seen lots of folks fall short of lesser numbers because their body canāt hold up - some with great form.
I actually think this would trip most people upā¦
Oh yeah Iāve had it on both knees, and just got carpal tunel surgery on both wrists 3 months ago. Didnāt stopped training ahah. I remember once I walked 1h30 in my splint under a 40Ā°C sun to go to the gym