[quote] Brook wrote:
Gregus wrote:
Have to go against the grain here.
No problem, something i like to do myself…
Experiment and see what works for you. Some people don’t show gains till week 6 or so of their cycles.
This is really mostly dependant on the drug used… for someone to not show a result until the 6th week on an oral, or a suspension based cycle is unlikely.
What’s the point of quitting 2 weeks later? Some people show gains very quickly and the effectiveness of their AS wears off quickly unless they stop the cycle or completely change compounds.
As above, this is more dependant on the compounds used than by who is using them… granted there are differing levels of effectiveness, but not to quite the extent you seem to be suggesting IME
Professional BB are on all the time and their gains don’t stop they keep growing.
This isn’t really likely… they have superior genetics granted, and they likely have excellent responses to high androgen levels, but results will slow over time - both of increasing physical advancement, and also continued drug use.
If what you were suggesting were the case, then i doubt that 260lbs at contest weight would be the limit (let alone that being the limit using all PED including GH, peptides, Slin etc… and NOT just the use of AAS as your argument relies on.
I don;t want to be controversial but recovery is also very individual. I know guys who don’t even get shut down on 2-300 mg of test per week.
Do you have anything you can link us to that proves this? That there have been studies done where a percentage have not been suppressed in a particular time-frame of using those doses? I have seen plenty of abstracts and articles proving that as little as 100mg of Testosterone shuts down the HPTA fully in 3 weeks or so - see any TRT patient - but never one that suggests 300mg/wk can be used with zero suppression… or have they just not tested the right people??
One even fathered a son after being on for 6 months straight and 2 months off. So his recovery was quick and complete.
All this proves is that he was not sterile and little else… all it takes is one sperm…
Was he using Clomid? Was he using HCG? Was he using HMG? Maybe he was particularly fast at recovery… but does this mean he was never inhibited?
ALSO in the grand scheme of AAS use and life, IME 6 months isn’t long enough to cause long term issues with sterility in healthy males. Especially with the correct use of the drugs i mentioned…
Recovery is very individual. Some do better with short heavy cycles and others whose bodies may respond more slowly CAN run longer cycles but should be careful to choose their compounds carefully as some may shut you down harder then others. Again an individual thing.
IMO Deca, tren and anadrol means a long recovery for alot of people but for alot it’s not.
This is due to ones ‘sensitivity’ to female sex hormones (Prolactin, Oestrogen and Progesterone), with some being sensitive to the actions of one or all of them and some being further suppressed by some or all.
It is fair to say that rises in any of these hormones beyond homeostasis will result in adverse side effects… with the severity varying between user (receptor sensitivity being the main culprit i’d assume).
So im not one to paint with broad strokes. See what works for you and learn how your body works and what it likes.
Me either, and it’s true… one need sot assess each case individually - as WHB mentioned somewhere else recently.
Brook[/quote]
We agree on pretty much everything here. When using a fast acting suspension type AS or orals you do get the effects very quickly. My example was more along the lines if someone chose to cycle slower acting compounds like say Primobolan and some sustanon at lower total dosages. Say 500mg sust and 200 mg primo weekly.
Starting a cycle with orals is different, i agree. But i was merely trying to illustrate that running for more then 8 weeks is entirely possible and can be very efficient depending on the AS of choice. Some AS lend themselves to shorter durations and others do better on longer durations.
The individual in question was not on any PCT when fathering his son. Just tapered down low and went cold turkey. His HPTA restarted with a vengeance once his system was completely clean.
Which is also another interesting point id like to post. I am of the firm belief that PCT is a waste of time and money. I have always observed better results with tapering down to a very low dosage, say 200mg per week test for a few weeks then completely off. I’ve read endo’s talking about that causing the HPTA to kickstart very quickly.
One trick Endocrinologists sometimes use to get someones test up higher is to give them a shot of low dose test. Once it clears it causes the hpta to turn up production. The analogy of a starting fluid for a car was used.
One person i knew had their test tested and it was about 700nl. After a test cycle, 4 months later it was close to 800nl. So the test injections indeed did condition his test to rebound and stay higher. It was interesting to see that in action.
On a side note, when it comes to longer cycles, im not a fan any progesterone based cycles. Even for a short cycle. Those compounds i’ve seen shut people down for a loooong time and the hpta did not want to rebound for quite some time, months.
I feel that AS that are the closest to the human body (test) are some of the easier to recover from.
