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57 and dragging


#1

Just got my bloodwork done. Did not get an E2, i'm afraid. I expect to make an appointment with my doc soon but would appreciate input from the wisdom of the forum. The data is European but I hope it is understandable as measurements.

-age 57
-height 6'
-waist 32"
-weight 154
-describe body and facial hair Some chest hair, good beard
-describe where you carry fat and how changed Hips and ass always
-health conditions, symptoms [history] Good health
-Rx and OTC drugs, any hair loss drugs or prostate drugs ever None

-lab results with ranges

total T 387
Free T (calculated) 6 ng/dl
Bioavailable (calculated) 153
Total PSA 0.64 microg/l
Free PSA 0.18 microg/l
17-OH-progesterone 2.02 ng/ml
Androstenedione 2.02 ng/ml
Androstanediol gluc 8.1 ng/ml
Free T4 13 pg/ml
TSH 1.68 mU/l
SHBG 48 nmol/l
Cholesterol 216 mg/dl
Cholesterol LDL 118 mg/dl
Cholesterol HDL 88 mg/dl
Hemoglobine 14.9 g/dl
Hematocrite 44%

-describe diet [some create substantial damage with starvation diets] Meat fish and fresh veggies, little bread or sugar
-describe training Weights twice a week, Pilates once, yoga once
-testes ache, ever, with a fever? No
Morning wood At times but not as before


KSman is Here
#2

At 57, this is age related decline. LH/FSH would be interesting but not of consequence.

Do you have lag ranges to edit into the post above. See [Edit] in corner of your post.

Please read thyroid basics sticky and evaluate your iodine status and body temperatures. THS is getting to point of concern. Doctor thinks perfectly normal … but not optimal.


#3

[quote]TQB wrote:
Just got my bloodwork done. Did not get an E2, i’m afraid. I expect to make an appointment with my doc soon but would appreciate input from the wisdom of the forum. The data is European but I hope it is understandable as measurements.

*** At age 49 1/2 through trial and error:

Maca Root will bring back the ability to “have a go at it” when ever the situation presents itself as if you were still in your 20s. I went from having trouble there to any time no problem.

Tribulus Terrestris and Resveratrol. I don’t know which did it but the strength and stamina gains while the waist line is shrinking is unlike anything I have ever seen.

Take these three and you’ll not need the artificial stuff.


#4

From the NIH website.

Tribulus terrestris is an herbal nutritional supplement that is promoted to produce large gains in strength and lean muscle mass in 5-28 days (15, 18). Although some manufacturers claim T. terrestris will not lead to a positive drug test, others have suggested that T. terrestris may increase the urinary testosterone/epitestosterone (T/E) ratio, which may place athletes at risk of a positive drug test. The purpose of the study was to determine the effect of T. terrestris on strength, fat free mass, and the urinary T/E ratio during 5 weeks of preseason training in elite rugby league players. Twenty-two Australian elite male rugby league players (mean +/- SD; age = 19.8 +/- 2.9 years; weight = 88.0 +/- 9.5 kg) were match-paired and randomly assigned in a double-blind manner to either a T. terrestris (n = 11) or placebo (n = 11) group. All subjects performed structured heavy resistance training as part of the club’s preseason preparations. A T. terrestris extract (450 mg.d(-1)) or placebo capsules were consumed once daily for 5 weeks. Muscular strength, body composition, and the urinary T/E ratio were monitored prior to and after supplementation. After 5 weeks of training, strength and fat free mass increased significantly without any between-group differences. No between-group differences were noted in the urinary T/E ratio. It was concluded that T. terrestris did not produce the large gains in strength or lean muscle mass that many manufacturers claim can be experienced within 5-28 days. Furthermore, T. terrestris did not alter the urinary T/E ratio and would not place an athlete at risk of testing positive based on the World Anti-Doping Agency’s urinary T/E ratio limit of 4:1.


#5

Just got the follow up results

E2 <19 ng/l normal range <52
FSH 8.2 U/l normal range 1.4-18.1
LH 4.0 U/l normal range 1.5-9.3

However Total T came in at 273, down from 387 a few weeks before
Free T is 4.98 pg/ml normal range 7.2-23

Clearly E2 is not a problem at present, but the low T is a bugger. My plan is to ask for low-dose Androgel or similar and monitor E2 before asking for aridimex… I don’t care for a massive T level, just nudge it up a little (500-550?). Advise?