Not Jim but here goes…
When I started with 5-3-1 in 2007-8, I really cannot remember which - Jokers, FSL, SSL, up/down ladder, etc…had not been invented yet - or at least published.
And…I am so glad - All we did was rep maxes and break our own p.r.'s and then plug in assistance templates. And there were not near as many as them either. There wasn’t even 5-3-1 for PL.
NOR was the idea of 5 forward/ 3 back out yet - if it was I missed it.
I went for years using “triumvirate” and slamming the p.r. set and made phenomenal progress.
Every 3/4 cycles I switched exercises but stuck with “Triumvirate.”
Then 5-3-1 for PL came out and I started on 3-5-1 with bands on the first set (if I remember correctly - Jim…correct me if I am wrong as I do not have the books in front of me - I have the first ones in hard copy and not digital)
I still - to this day almost 8 years later - use 3-5-1 - attempt to slam it out on the last set - and use a form of the dynamic effort template - i.e. 8x3 or 5x5 dynamic on the first set - 5x1 for deads- etc.
I have run virtually every challenge multiple times - and they all work well (with varying degrees depending on your goals)
The point of all this:
- I would not advocate switching assistance templates every cycle -
- Jim may correct me but I would not use Jokers with FSL or BBB assistance. Go ahead and try it if you insist and let me know how it goes.
- In general - serving two masters means you serve none - pick one and stick with it awhile. I am referring to hard conditioning v building your powerlifting numbers. If you put prowler/sled/ sprinting in and commit to it - understand you may not be able to hit the volume required of BBB with success. You’ll find this out real quick.
BUT…you can progress if you play your cards right and read Jim’s shit.
I have lost over 30 pounds, lowered my bp, body fat, all that shit - pushing my prowler/ dragging my sled/ and running up every hill I see. Sometimes I condition 5 days a week. I like it in a sick sort of way. But when I go ape shit like that - no way could I run BBB, etc. More than not it’s the “Jack Shit” template +abs/low back while in the gym and then my daily dose of prowling.
If you run BBB - you will get in shape - trust me.
Best of luck to ya and keep it simple for awhile - read posts on this forum, etc.[/quote]
Hi mate thanks very much for the informative reply. Really helps reading real world experience. I’ve chosen triumvirate for assistance template in the spirit of keeping it simple . I’m intrigued about your comment about serving 2 masters. This is the part I’m stuck on . I’m not fully sure how to program conditioning when trying to build up mass via Bbb or strength via 351 or the strength challenge ect. I know it should be kept in the program but just doing more reading into how you vets have successfully programmed so it does not interfere with the main goal. Is there ever a time when there should be no conditioning done when chasing a mass gain or strength goal… Thoughts?
Thanks again for the reply mate much appreciated .