I came off a 10 week tren ace/test e/d-bol cycle about 3 months ago and am going to start my 4th cycle. I’m about 260 pounds and would like to get back up to 270 but my primary goal is strength gain. 36, been lifting for over 20 years, 18 of them naturally.
Mike if your primary goal is strength gain then you’ll want to find a greater supply of tren and dbol; enough for say 6 weeks of each. Then you’ll want to run them concurrently.
Also I’ve found with dbol taking it all [in your case all 40mg] 45 minutes before you train is optimal. Common practice is divided doses I know because of dbol’s 4-8 hour half life depending who you believe. But your injectables are for consist levels. Use the dbol for training enhancement. Trust me. Take it all pre training and you will feel the difference. I experimented with this myself on my last cycle which Im in stasis mode now on. It was worth it.
Be weary though as different people have different maximal dbol dose tolerances. I found my ceiling to be 50mg personally. Also be mindful that certain bodyparts pump almost too much on high-all-at-once dbol doses.
I don’t rate Mast and tren together… they are just too similar and even if you use 700mg of Mast with 3-500mg of Tren, you just wouldn’t know it.
I like EITHER Mast or Tren these days… and if it want to lose fat/improve my composition, then i use Tren - otherwise i find high dose Masteron to be as effective, more tolerable and safer (androgenically - if that is a word).
[quote]saps wrote:
Mike if your primary goal is strength gain then you’ll want to find a greater supply of tren and dbol; enough for say 6 weeks of each. Then you’ll want to run them concurrently.
Also I’ve found with dbol taking it all [in your case all 40mg] 45 minutes before you train is optimal. Common practice is divided doses I know because of dbol’s 4-8 hour half life depending who you believe. But your injectables are for consist levels. Use the dbol for training enhancement. Trust me. Take it all pre training and you will feel the difference. I experimented with this myself on my last cycle which Im in stasis mode now on. It was worth it.
Be weary though as different people have different maximal dbol dose tolerances. I found my ceiling to be 50mg personally. Also be mindful that certain bodyparts pump almost too much on high-all-at-once dbol doses.[/quote]
Ok, then I’ll probably do the tren ace from weeks 3-8 and do the dbol during those weeks as well. I just had some rough sides with tren the last time and 5 weeks was pretty much all I could take.
[quote]Mike823 wrote:
saps wrote:
Mike if your primary goal is strength gain then you’ll want to find a greater supply of tren and dbol; enough for say 6 weeks of each. Then you’ll want to run them concurrently.
Also I’ve found with dbol taking it all [in your case all 40mg] 45 minutes before you train is optimal. Common practice is divided doses I know because of dbol’s 4-8 hour half life depending who you believe. But your injectables are for consist levels. Use the dbol for training enhancement. Trust me. Take it all pre training and you will feel the difference. I experimented with this myself on my last cycle which Im in stasis mode now on. It was worth it.
Be weary though as different people have different maximal dbol dose tolerances. I found my ceiling to be 50mg personally. Also be mindful that certain bodyparts pump almost too much on high-all-at-once dbol doses.
Ok, then I’ll probably do the tren ace from weeks 3-8 and do the dbol during those weeks as well. I just had some rough sides with tren the last time and 5 weeks was pretty much all I could take.
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Cortes mentioned this somewhere. Some guys after 5-6 weeks begin [to an extent] to adapt and adjust to the sides making them proportionally milder. Rarely do you find guys getting cumulatively worse the longer they are on tren. The majority seem to get the sides they get and maintain the level of discomfort from the breathing or the sweating or whatever hits them. But having finally run tren for a solid and straight 10 weeks this summer I can say week 7-10 were not as brutal as weeks 3-5 for instance. They weren’t all sunshine and roses either but I did to a small degree adapt and adjust
[quote]Mike823 wrote:
I came off a 10 week tren ace/test e/d-bol cycle about 3 months ago and am going to start my 4th cycle. I’m about 260 pounds and would like to get back up to 270 but my primary goal is strength gain. 36, been lifting for over 20 years, 18 of them naturally.
I think it is worse… pointlessly complex and involved.
4 steroids (assuming b-bol is a steroid ;p) may seen ‘necessary’ to you as this is your fourth cycle… but if it worked like that then i would be using maybe 20?
Point is, do all those steroids do something? Will they all play a part? Will you notice effects from each? Are they dosed at specific amounts for specific reasons? I have on hand:
My next cycle i begin tomorrow, i will frontload and i will be running:
Test’rone 700mg/wk
Tren’lone 350mg/wk
That’s it.
I am not saying you never need to use 4 drugs, or that you never need to go above 1g/wk… of course you may… but IMHO, the only time 4 AAS are warranted are when you are requiring something very special, a meet or a show maybe…
1-3 steroids is AMPLE for the majority of posters here.
So, if you need vascularity, hardness, aggression, dryness, lipolysis, massive anabolism due to extremely catabolic fat burners being used… then sure use multiple compounds.
If you want to drop some fat to reveal a lean muscular physique, then 1-3 steroid compounds will be ample.
[quote]J-J wrote:
I think it is worse… pointlessly complex and involved.
4 steroids (assuming b-bol is a steroid ;p) may seen ‘necessary’ to you as this is your fourth cycle… but if it worked like that then i would be using maybe 20?
Point is, do all those steroids do something? Will they all play a part? Will you notice effects from each? Are they dosed at specific amounts for specific reasons? I have on hand:
My next cycle i begin tomorrow, i will frontload and i will be running:
Test’rone 700mg/wk
Tren’lone 350mg/wk
That’s it.
I am not saying you never need to use 4 drugs, or that you never need to go above 1g/wk… of course you may… but IMHO, the only time 4 AAS are warranted are when you are requiring something very special, a meet or a show maybe…
1-3 steroids is AMPLE for the majority of posters here.
So, if you need vascularity, hardness, aggression, dryness, lipolysis, massive anabolism due to extremely catabolic fat burners being used… then sure use multiple compounds.
If you want to drop some fat to reveal a lean muscular physique, then 1-3 steroid compounds will be ample.
JMO[/quote]
All good points. I’ll probably drop the winny. thanks.