41 Y/O, Looking for Feedback on HGH-Test Cycle (Bloodwork Included)

[eternalwisdom]

Hi Everyone! I Would like your feed back in on a hGH-Test C cycle I’m about to undertake. I’m 41 and been lifting/training since I was 16 or 17. Got stuck in a rut recently and found my way to an awesome Anti-Ageing clinic.

Me:
208 lbs.
21.3 BF%
37.8 Muscle%
51.7 Water%
5.1 Bone%

So, like I said I got stuck in a nasty rut for about a year before pulling my shit together last October (2017). Unfortunately it took a while to find the right forward thinking Doctor. I have attached my blood work results from 02/07/2018 for reference. I am hoping based on your experiences and feedback I can write my dosing-log in stone.

/// GOAL
Looking to get a nice shot of vitality and shed some unwanted weight, while boosting my muscle mass 10 lbs playing softball this summer.

/// How I feel now
Today I feel really good. My current vitamin and mineral cocktail has really helped my workouts. This is based on six weeks of intense wo and my recovery is through the roof. Better than it has been in a decades. This is my current supplement plan after consulting the TRT doctor. I have to admit at first I was skeptical, but it’s worked so far.

AM:
DHEA 25mg
Vitamin D with K2 5,000iu
mens multi
omega 3-6-9
Cialis 5mg

PM
Magtein 3 caps
Pregnenolone 50mg
Vitamin B6 + HTTP5
prolonged release Melatonin 3mg (T, Th,F)
mens multi
omega 3-6-9

/// CYCLE
Plan to start HGH injections around April 7th, when my BF% reaches less than 19%. Three weeks in- I plan on stacking with Test Cyp.

Days 1- 20: HGH 2 IU day
Days 21- 30: HGH 2.5 IU day
Days 21- 85: Start every-4th-day Test injections at 150 mg;+ Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
Days 31- 100: HGH 3 IU day
Days 86-115: PCT: Continue Aromasin 12.5mg and taper to 6.25mg; after a few weeks add Novaldex 20mg EOD; HGH 2.5 IU day
Days 116- 130: Novaldex 20mg EOD; HGH 2 IU day
Days 131-160: HGH 2 IU day

Thanks for looking!

[NH_Watts]

Just to clarify, are you only planning on taking Test C for 60 days?

[eternalwisdom]

Correct. Sandwiched in the middle of the HGH run.

[KSman]

TSH and fT3 are great. Expect that oral body temps will be good. See below. Body temps are the bottom line for thyroid. Keep using iodized salt and stay away from sea salt.

Suggest that you not take any thyroid hormones, your body will simply reduce your own production. Why risk upsetting the apple cart.

Your TT and FT are quite decent. E2 is elevated. Without TRT, .25mg anastrozole twice a week might improve your natural T levels and allow for fat loss and better fat patters. Might improve mood, libido and energy. On gear, take 0.5mg anastrozole with each T injection, 0.75 might be required to be near E2=22pg/ml.

hCG and T are synergistic. I would not throw that much $hGH$ at pre cycle T levels.

You really might not need to get on cycle. You might upset things then need TRT which is forever.

40mg Nolvadex is just the kind of bad advice we always see. It will create a large amount of testicular T–>E2 that anastrozole cannot manage at any dose and no hope for Aromasin. See the logic in the HPTA restart sticky.

PCT needs an AI, but as a above, cannot be managed with larger SERM doses. Do read as I suggested.

If you inject T, 75mg twice a week, subq not IM, take AI at that time.

During T injections LH/FSH–>zero and tests can shrink and may ache. 250iu hCG subq EOD will protect, then PCT is not recovery of the testes but only getting pituitary back in the game.

Yes T4 is below midrange. fT3 is great, do check body temperatures. fT3 is the only active thyroid hormone. There is no receptor for T4. TSH thinks that things are great. Your fT4–>fT3 conversion is very efficient.

HTC-50.1 is quite strong. Injecting T will make that higher and you should be doing blood donations. Injecting T sometimes sets off a HTC cascade that is a major problem. Avoid all iron fortified foods: rice, pasta, breads, mixes, cereals…]

RBC seems OK, considering above, part of HTC could be from dehydration. Was this fasting lab work?

---

Please read the stickies found here: About the T Replacement Category - #2 by KSman

• advice for new guys - need more info about you
• things that damage your hormones
• protocol for injections
• finding a TRT doc

Evaluate your overall thyroid function by checking oral body temperatures as per the thyroid basics sticky. Thyroid hormone fT3 is what gets the job done and it regulates mitochondrial activity, the source of ATP which is the universal currency of cellular energy. This is part of the body’s temperature control loop. This can get messed up if you are iodine deficient. In many countries, you need to be using iodized salt. Other countries add iodine to dairy or bread.

KSman is simply a regular member on this site. Nothing more other than highly active.

I can be a bit abrupt in my replies and recommendations. I have a lot of ground to cover as this forum has become much more active in the last two years. I can’t follow threads that go deep over time. You need to respond to all of my points and requests as soon as possible before you fall off of my radar. The worse problems are guys who ignore issues re Thyroid, body temperatures, history of iodized salt. Please do not piss people off saying that lab results are normal, we need lab numbers and ranges.

The value that you get out of this process and forum depends on your effort and performance. The bulk of your learning is reading/studying the suggested stickies.

[eternalwisdom]

@KSman

TSH and fT3 are great. Expect that oral body temps will be good. See below. Body temps are the bottom line for thyroid. Keep using iodized salt and stay away from sea salt.

Suggest that you not take any thyroid hormones, your body will simply reduce your own production. Why risk upsetting the apple cart.

Thank You for the feedback! I’ll not mess with the T4 then.

@KSman

Your TT and FT are quite decent. E2 is elevated. Without TRT, .25mg anastrozole twice a week might improve your natural T levels and allow for fat loss and better fat patters. Might improve mood, libido and energy. On gear, take 0.5mg anastrozole with each T injection, 0.75 might be required to be near E2=22pg/ml.

Curious about your opinion on anastrozole vs. aromasin? I have Exemestane on hand. I liked the idea of increasing IGF-1 levels as well as controlling estrogen.

@KSman

hCG and T are synergistic. I would not throw that much $hGH$ at pre cycle T levels.

My thought process here was to have three weeks of new cellular growth from the hGH, then stack with T for 60+ days. Continuing the hGH through PCT and then begin pyramiding back down. Do you see any advantage in doing this? Or like you said, just start both at the same time.

@KSman

PCT needs an AI, but as a above, cannot be managed with larger SERM doses. Do read as I suggested.

Thank You, again. I’m looking at your suggested readings now. Much appreciated.

@KSman

RBC seems OK, considering above, part of HTC could be from dehydration. Was this fasting lab work?

You are spot on here about being dehydrated. Blood work was non-fasting at 9am. Up to this point I still was drinking way too much coffee and not enough water. During the week of my blood work my water mass was hovering around 49% whereas, GF is typically 58%. I am slowly bringing it back up (51.7), but it’s a slow fight for sure. I do also plan to donate, because why not?

I’ll update my original post with changes to my cycle. Many Thanks and NAMASTE.

[mrmeeseeks]

That’s interesting that you were drinking a lot of coffee (adrenal stress) yet your Reverse T3 was low.

I’ve a feeling my drinking loads of coffee until a couple weeks ago, is affecting my thyroid - that’s purely an idea though, not a fact - I’ve not had Reverse T3 tested (can’t afford it at the mo)

[Thiago_Monteiro]

Great exam! KSman is God, so how can we say something after him… kkk, but great!
I would expect a little more total test or with 150mg (test C or E) every 4th day, from my experience it should be around 1000 or even more… but you are great with this blood test, great clinic.