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3rd Cycle: Test, Oral, Other?

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#1

Hi everyone, nice to find a site with lots of information and somewhere I can get advice and constructive criticism on diet, training, and pharma.

I am 24, 6’2" and 225 lbs sitting around 14% BF right now. I have been training since 18 with only a few periods of time on and off. I have completed the following 2 cycles:

1: Test E at 500 mg per week W1-10, Dbol at 25 mg per day W1-4, Nolva PCT
2. Test E at 600 mg per week W1-14, Deca at 400 mg/week for week 1-10, Adrol at 50 mg per day W1-4, HCG throughout, Nolva PCT

On cycle 2 I got up to 265 around 20-22% BF and loved it. Wanted to be visibly large and strength was awesome. Now however, I am more interested in sculpting and muscle growth as opposed to pure size.

I am happy with my diet and training schedule (4 day split with cardio on off days (run 5 miles usually)) and since I am a mesomorph, I respond well to diet and training changes. Anytime I am noticing changes (for the worse) I am quick to react and change.

LOOKING FOR:

A cycle containing Test E, some kick start via oral(s), a second injectable, HCG for testicle support for lean gains. I don’t want to blow up too much.

I do not want to venture into slin, hgh, or tren land, but am interested in some things people might recommend.

Thank you everyone!

#2

How long have you been off cycle?..
Im looking at your on cycle vs off cycle stats, is there a reason why you lost 40 pounds?..
Where you running an AI on cycle?..

#3

About 2 months after PCT, I did a nice cut to harden up and get rid of some excess weight I put on over the cycle. The big detriment to my training (and body) was a rotator cuff injury I sustained. Lost lots of weight just due to minimal upper body training. Seems nearly all upper body exercises utilize the rotator cuff assembly. I did make progress on lower body/core though.

In any case, it wasn’t 40 lbs lost due to quitting or lack of work/training, partly due to injury, partly due to cut I did in the months after the cycle. I was happy after my cut but the rotator injury really threw me. I am now back to regular training and although I can feel the rotator still, I have regained the stability and strength and am focusing on strengthening it more now. I plan to run this cycle mid 2012. Also, as I said, my goals have changed from pure mass and size to tone and muscle building.

I did not run an AI during the cycle. I did not have any serious negative side effects from either cycle and responded very well (in my opinion).

#4

This is my personal advice (important: personal): don’t use deca. It’s suppressing for months and month after use. I don’t like it.