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3rd Cycle Mast Test Var


#1

How ya doing guys.

Going to start my 3rd cycle. First was 500mg of Test E for 12 weeks. With Nolva PCT (No AI, had no signs of gyno, rebound etc). Bloods done to confirm.

For my 3rd(Feedback of dosage, stack, pct is what I am after), I was thinking Mast P Test P Anavar
- Test P Wks 1-8 @ 100mg EoD (same syringe) Multi compound injection - higher dose? lower? ED?
- Mast P Wks 1-8 @ 150mg EoD (same syringe) Multi compound injection - higher? lower?
- Anavar Wks 5-10 @ 50-100mg ED. Should this be wks 4-8??? Lower dose? Will have thistle on hand!

PCT
- Nolva 40/40/20/20 ?? When to start if running var to week 10??
- Clomid - If neccesary- In my opinion, (I haven't needed it in the past; EVEYRONE IS DIFFERENT), but then again that is why I am here.
- HCG - Can't get.
AI
- Can't get.

Bodyfat
- Probably too high for Mast. @ around 13-15%

Keep in mind I have NOT started this yet, it's merely a few thought processes


#2

To truly reap the benefits on Var / Mast, you’ll want a lower body fat. Keep in mind that these compounds are not fat burners, and will not help lower your body fat (this will be influenced by diet).

Nolva PCT is fine. You could even taper it off another 2 weeks at 20/20 or 10/10 if you need to.

If you can, pin ED. Allows for more stable blood levels. I would personally run the entire thing 10-12 weeks instead of 8 though. Run the Var closer to 100mg for 6-8 week.

What are your goals with this?


#3

Hey dude thanks for replying.

Goals are to get leaner, stronger, power etc.

I do crossfit and have lost 6% BF in the last 6 months. I’m very happy with that.

The cardio is not an issue as crossfit has a huge component of that in it.
Also to look good for my gf would be nice ð???


#4

What I ran something like:
Wks 1-10 75 mg ED TP
Wks 1-10 50 mg ED MP
Wks 6-10 100mg ED VAR

Nolva 2-3 days after last injection @ 40/40/20/20/10/10


#5

[quote]WalaMala wrote:
What I ran something like:
Wks 1-10 75 mg ED TP
Wks 1-10 50 mg ED MP
Wks 6-10 100mg ED VAR

Nolva 2-3 days after last injection @ 40/40/20/20/10/10[/quote]

Looks awesome. Should be a fun 10 weeks.

Mast works as a mild AI, so that should take care of your “no AI” issue as well.


#6

[quote]CxTucker wrote:

[quote]WalaMala wrote:
What I ran something like:
Wks 1-10 75 mg ED TP
Wks 1-10 50 mg ED MP
Wks 6-10 100mg ED VAR

Nolva 2-3 days after last injection @ 40/40/20/20/10/10[/quote]

Looks awesome. Should be a fun 10 weeks.

Mast works as a mild AI, so that should take care of your “no AI” issue as well.[/quote]
Bad advice man id still use an AI


#7

[quote]kenny-mccormick wrote:

[quote]CxTucker wrote:

[quote]WalaMala wrote:
What I ran something like:
Wks 1-10 75 mg ED TP
Wks 1-10 50 mg ED MP
Wks 6-10 100mg ED VAR

Nolva 2-3 days after last injection @ 40/40/20/20/10/10[/quote]

Looks awesome. Should be a fun 10 weeks.

Mast works as a mild AI, so that should take care of your “no AI” issue as well.[/quote]
Bad advice man id still use an AI[/quote]

He said in the first post that he CAN’T get an AI.


#8

[quote]CxTucker wrote:

[quote]kenny-mccormick wrote:

[quote]CxTucker wrote:

[quote]WalaMala wrote:
What I ran something like:
Wks 1-10 75 mg ED TP
Wks 1-10 50 mg ED MP
Wks 6-10 100mg ED VAR

Nolva 2-3 days after last injection @ 40/40/20/20/10/10[/quote]

Looks awesome. Should be a fun 10 weeks.

Mast works as a mild AI, so that should take care of your “no AI” issue as well.[/quote]
Bad advice man id still use an AI[/quote]

He said in the first post that he CAN’T get an AI.
[/quote]

A close friend of mine said the same thing running 600 deca, 300 mast 300 test. He found an AI and Caber pretty damn fast when he started lactating… Its not hard to find research chems. If I can get it into australia i can pretty much say you can get it anywhere that gets mail.


#9

[quote]DoctorJekyll wrote:

[quote]CxTucker wrote:

[quote]kenny-mccormick wrote:

[quote]CxTucker wrote:

[quote]WalaMala wrote:
What I ran something like:
Wks 1-10 75 mg ED TP
Wks 1-10 50 mg ED MP
Wks 6-10 100mg ED VAR

Nolva 2-3 days after last injection @ 40/40/20/20/10/10[/quote]

Looks awesome. Should be a fun 10 weeks.

Mast works as a mild AI, so that should take care of your “no AI” issue as well.[/quote]
Bad advice man id still use an AI[/quote]

He said in the first post that he CAN’T get an AI.
[/quote]

A close friend of mine said the same thing running 600 deca, 300 mast 300 test. He found an AI and Caber pretty damn fast when he started lactating… Its not hard to find research chems. If I can get it into australia i can pretty much say you can get it anywhere that gets mail.[/quote]

Oh I don’t argue that it’s incredibly easy to find research chems. I was strictly going off of what OP said. If he truly can’t find an AI, then Mast should be able to somewhat help with estrogen control. What it won’t help with is prolactin, which is where Caber / Prami would be needed.


#10

I’ll try a bit harder. If you could recommend one what would it be and dosing (should it only be Done when sides occur, have close by?


#11

[quote]WalaMala wrote:
I’ll try a bit harder. If you could recommend one what would it be and dosing (should it only be Done when sides occur, have close by? [/quote]
Google “research chemicals” Anastrozole 1-2 mg/wk in divided doses. Use throughout, do not wait until sides occur.

You should at least have a solid lifting program in place, and have been lifting consistently (i.e. not just doing crossfit) for some time. Too much cardio will limit strength/mass gains, and there are better ways (i.e. diet) to lose fat, at least at your BF level. You may want to rethink your goals, at least for now, and the risk/benefit.


#12

[quote]WalaMala wrote:
I’ll try a bit harder. If you could recommend one what would it be and dosing (should it only be Done when sides occur, have close by? [/quote]

Arimidex (Anastrozole) at 0.5mg Every Other day to begin with. Any sides increase to 1mg EOD. Thats if you dont want to wait for sides to start.


#13

Crossfit has a lot of weightlifting FYI - my squats 220kg and deadlift is 195kg. I know that’s not a lot but I aint a power lifter.


#14

What if I’m not prone? I did 12 weeks test e no Ai (not saying it is Right not too) - had 0 sides aprt from small nuts for a few weeks but that all normalised after nolva and pornhub


#15

[quote]WalaMala wrote:
What if I’m not prone? I did 12 weeks test e no Ai (not saying it is Right not too) - had 0 sides aprt from small nuts for a few weeks but that all normalised after nolva and pornhub[/quote]
Just because your not having noticeable sides does not mean you don’t need to keep your e in check