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3rd Cycle Advice

For my third cycle how does this look

400mg test e weeks 1-10
250mg eq weeks 1-10
150mg EOD masteron prop weeks 5-10
50mg ED winstrol weeks 6-10

I’ve got clomid and torimifene citrate for PCT.

[quote]ddcmdb wrote:
For my third cycle how does this look

400mg test e weeks 1-10
250mg eq weeks 1-10
150mg EOD masteron prop weeks 5-10
50mg ED winstrol weeks 6-10

I’ve got clomid and torimifene citrate for PCT.[/quote]

Looks sort of ok but we don’t know anything about you. Your goals, weight, body comp, height, age, training, diet. You’ve got to give us something to work with…

Ok sorry about that, I’ll try to give you all the info… My goal is to maintain what I gain, 15-20 pounds of muscle I’ve never taken any form of test… current weight as of a week ago was 186.5 at a whopping 5’10’’ I’m 20 years old I’ve been training since I was 15 out of a week the lowest amount of calories I consume is 2600 the most is 5600, my metabolism is crazy high…

I eat like a starving ethiopian even if it makes me sick… most of my meals are decently healthy also… Anything else just ask me… Never joined a forum, I’ve read tons tho… I’m just trying to gain correct knowledge so I’ve come to you all.

I would drop the eq and add more test. something like 600mgs test wk
100mgs masteron eod

or drop the masteron and winstrol and do
500mgs test wk
500mgs eq wk

I like to keep things simple so this is what Id do.

Also while running EQ you should run it longer than 10wks. 12-16 wks preferably.

Well the frequency of the injections don’t bother me at all… except the winny but as far as all I have to work with is 10ml test e 400/1, 10ml eq 250/1, 12ml mast prop 150mg/1, 14ml winny 100/1. I don’t want alot of water bloat.

If this is your third cycle, you should know that it’s not advisable to run EQ for less than 12 weeks. Or perhaps you didn’t do your research on your previous cycles either.

To be perfectly honest, it seems your cycle is really all over the place. You need to figure what you want to do and then do it right. Don’t have a smattering of compounds and hope to do a little bit of everything. Pick one goal and accomplish it well.

World

Yeah, I realize this but if I try to make that 10ml bottle of eq last me 2 more weeks or more it’ll be useless at that low of a level and my current location right now… things are VERY hard to come by soo this is ALL i have to work with… considering the UGL everything came from is no longer active… etc etc… doesn’t matter…

But I’m just wondering with the compounds I listed above and my goal I wrote was keep what I gain 15 to 20 solid pounds… and all those compounds with test being the exception have low aromatization and I’ve never used any of these in conjuction with each other but I figure they would leave me pretty solid in what I gain…

So instead of waiting and getting everything you need you want to do things half assed?

Yeah, yall are right… Just antsy I suppose. and as for getting what I need, who knows when this will be… Thanks for the help…

You’re only twenty and this will be your third cycle. Anyway, what were you first two cycles. For a genuine third cycle your product selection seems light. But given your stats perhaps its not so bad. Please do tell the first two so we have a base point.

Didn’t want to go there because at the time my first two cycles were done out of ignorance and he said she said things…
I’ve taken an 8 week cycle of dianabol 25mg and winstrol 75mg everyday for the last 20 days of my cycle for my first at throughout and kept 9 pounds.

Then I took another oral cycle of anadrol at 50mg a day for 25 days got bloated, stretch marks on my arms and chest, and kept 13 which was mostly fat because I wanted to gain alot of weight… I drank 4 cans of ensure plus with every meal which is 360 cal. each.

I had acquired a source before I even researched any of this and it was a pretty dumb thing to do but it happened and it’s long gone now…

and I know it’s pretty mild but my body in my opinion responds to mild. and I used clomid for my PCT everytime.

It sounds to me like you’d get the most benefit from a true first 12 week cycle of either test alone or test with four weeks of Dbol. I don’t understand why the combo of test/EQ/mast given your history. Doesn’t make sense to me. You don’t have enough of any of the compounds you mentioned to do it right. With the test alone cycle, add a’dex when needed to keep bloat to a minimum, and your weight goals are easily achievable.

OK I can handle that and as for test if
I need more it is available…

So this will be good then…
I’ll do the research and try to figure out how to run the
arimidex…

I’ll try not to bother you all too much with questions but rather search the boards… I like to read.

Any other advise would be greatly appreciated…

Thanks

Advice, eh?

Well assuming your body composition is pretty good, I’d recommend running a shorter cycle with a higher dose because of the quickened recovery and less severe suppression. I’m of the opinion it’s not what you use or how much you use, but rather how long you’re on that determines your ability to recover.

My official rec for you:

8 weeks at 800mg/wk test

You could use proviron, but that’s up to you.

I’d also recommend having Adex around in case you get a gyno flare up. In which case, use .25-.5mg E3D at first, but if there is no improvement, up the frequency and/or dose.

Concerning PCT, a 4 week stasis of 100mg/wk a and then a 4-5 week taper would do you quite a bit of good. Some people add in masteron as well because of its anti-e effects, but I have yet to experiment with that or know of anyone who has besides FuriousGeorge. The shorter cycles can utilize a shorter recovery period…

One thing you will want to avoid during recovery is HCG and Adex. If you have gyno, use a SERM, such as nolvadex while on the stasis and if necessary, recovery.

World

OK in light of your history I agree with the boys above. Stick with a classic. In your case 500mg for 10-12 weeks ought to do you some good. World’s dosage and duration are a bit different from what I’d go with in your case. I’d prefer to see you on for three months so you can really milk the mileage. IMO 8 weeks is a tad short for the Enanthate you have.

[quote]sapasion wrote:
OK in light of your history I agree with the boys above. Stick with a classic. In your case 500mg for 10-12 weeks ought to do you some good. World’s dosage and duration are a bit different from what I’d go with in your case. I’d prefer to see you on for three months so you can really milk the mileage. IMO 8 weeks is a tad short for the Enanthate you have. [/quote]

So you’d rather have someone take a mediocre dose and experience more severe suppression? That just doesn’t make sense to me.

8 weeks is not a tad short at all for enanthate. Inject twice a week with 400 a pop and you will quickly maintain extremely high levels. Not to mention the fact you will put on more mass and more strength in 8 weeks running 800 a week than you will at 10 or 12 running 500. Moral of the story is, when running a test only cycle, you can accomplish everything you want in 8 weeks opposed to 10 or 12, and then have an even shorter recovery period.

The only reason one might avoid running a high dose, short cycle is if they are not very lean due to the fact the excess bodyfat will pose a problem when it comes to estrogen and its side effects.

World

I have toremifene which I’m sure you know is a SERM and can easily obtain a’dex but NO I’m lean. I can tell just from those previous “screwed” off cycles that I am EXTREMELY sensitive to gyno especially my right nipple.

8 or 12 guys? I know neither of you but you all both seem to know what you’re talking about but I want the best advice because I’m not looking to shut my hormonal system down and have HRT for the rest of my life…

[quote]ddcmdb wrote:
I have toremifene which I’m sure you know is a SERM and can easily obtain a’dex but NO I’m lean. I can tell just from those previous “screwed” off cycles that I am EXTREMELY sensitive to gyno especially my right nipple.

8 or 12 guys? I know neither of you but you all both seem to know what you’re talking about but I want the best advice because I’m not looking to shut my hormonal system down and have HRT for the rest of my life… [/quote]

I’ll tell you what, I feel that I peak on cycle at week 5. My gains don’t really seem to keep coming as easily after that, BUT I am still not completely shut down at week 5 and by week 8 I am COMPLETELY shut down. This is my experience and for the cycle that I just started I have decided to stop after week 5. My reasoning is that the slower recovery isn’t worth the meager gains that the extra 3-7 weeks provide.

This doesn’t jive with what most people say on the board, but I want to see how this goes for me.

[quote]World1187 wrote:
Advice, eh?

Well assuming your body composition is pretty good, I’d recommend running a shorter cycle with a higher dose because of the quickened recovery and less severe suppression. I’m of the opinion it’s not what you use or how much you use, but rather how long you’re on that determines your ability to recover.
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Based on my experience I completely agree with this, however, I do not feel it is necessary to use more than 500mg/wk. I don’t feel much difference from 500 to 1000 mg’s a week, unless we are counting nipple itchyness, lol.