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33% Still Believe Saddam 9/11 Link

Hit and Myth: Poll Shows 1 in 3 Americans Still Believe Saddam Involved in 9/11

[i]NEW YORK Six years after the 9/11 terror attacks on the U.S., it seems the media still have some educational work to do. A new CBS/New York Times poll reveals that even today, 1 in 3 Americans believe that “Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the September 11th, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.”

This notion was thoroughly debunked by official sources, including those in the White House, years ago, but the myth endures. Polls have shown that belief in this untruth was a prime component in support for the attack on Iraq.

Four in 10 Republicans still hold this view, compared with 32% of Independents and 27% of Democrats.

The poll of 1,035 adults was taken Sept. 4 to 8. [/i]

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003638490&imw=Ywww.mercurynews.com/search/ci_6859681?IADID=Search-www.mercurynews.com-www.mercurynews.com&nclick_check=1

That is quite astounding to say the least.

Who gives a shit, really?

[quote]pat36 wrote:
Who gives a shit, really?[/quote]

Try Iraqis.

I wonder what questions were asked.

Some Muslims believe the Jews did it. So do a few wackos in the US.

Here’s the poll:

The question seems to have been phrased fairly well.

q88

“Do you think Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the September 11, 2001[sic - should have comma] terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.”

A more pertinent question would have been:

“Do you think Saddam Hussein was sponsoring terrorism and working toward obtaining WMDs?” - I’d answer that one “Yes.”

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Here’s the poll:

The question seems to have been phrased fairly well. [/quote]

You can’t count on Zap to acknowledge that. You sir, are a beacon of intellectual honesty.

One man’s terrorists are another man’s freedom fighters. In that sense, I think the USA is very high up among sponsors of terror. Saddam’s actions in the domain would be negligible. In fact, your government itself is very lenient on who to put or remove from the terrorist list. I’ll remind you that Saddam was on that one up until Reagan decided to arm him when he decided to invade Iran.

As for “working toward obtaining WMDs”, it’s worth noting that Bush speaks of “the capability to make WMDs” as sufficient motive. I think every country with a chemistry and biology university department would qualify, but that’s another story…

What a bunch of dumbasses. Must be the same guys Howard Stern plays his stupid game with.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
“Do you think Saddam Hussein was sponsoring terrorism and working toward obtaining WMDs?” - I’d answer that one “Yes.”[/quote]

I’d answer NO. He was pretty well isolated from anyone. We had him under our thumb since Desert Storm. We destroyed his entire military and arsenal of weapons. He had very limited capabilities–which was why we were yelling “slam-dunk” on the day of the invasion. There was no military to fight. Think pick-up trucks and hand-held rocket launchers.

Did he want weapon? Hell yes, and for good reason.

I don’t see how he can be linked to terrorism. It was well known and documented the man was hated in the extremist Islamic community. Not to mention Saddam was very nervous about being seen as a terrorism apologist to the western countries.

Saddam funded suicide bombers. He paid their families approx. $ 30,000 each. He held televised check writing ceremonies. Baghdad was haven to a number of known terrorists.

His relationship w/ AQ was not strong but he had strong relationships with others.

[quote]lixy wrote:
pat36 wrote:
Who gives a shit, really?

Try Iraqis.[/quote]

Iraqis care about what the minority of Americans think?

You’d think they’d have better things to do with their time than to sit and ruminate over polling data.

Are you Iraqi? How did you come to be the official Iraqi spokesperson? Do they give you talking points - or do they just defer to your opinion?

It is interesting to see that the Republicans aren’t polling much higher than the Democrats and Indepepndents in this poll.

I think people today will believe what they want to believe. There are people who still belive that Saddam had nothing to do with terrorism even though he used to pay suicide bombers to blow themselves up in Israel.

[quote]lixy wrote:
pat36 wrote:
Who gives a shit, really?

Try Iraqis.[/quote]

Some of my best friends are Caldean. They all are very happy to see Saddam gone.

At the beginning of the the first gulf war my best friends father would sit at home watching CNN and cheer every time a bomb went off in Baghdad. This is someone who unlike you Lixy actually lived under Saddam. I will trust his opinion on Saddam far more than anyone on this board.

[quote]Sifu wrote:
I think people today will believe what they want to believe. There are people who still belive that Saddam had nothing to do with terrorism even though he used to pay suicide bombers to blow themselves up in Israel. [/quote]

True. But how different is it from arming a military that drops bombs on civilians?

More importantly, how about the Saudis?

http://answers.cbfl.net/answers/threadview?id=328728

[quote]Sifu wrote:
At the beginning of the the first gulf war my best friends father would sit at home watching CNN and cheer every time a bomb went off in Baghdad. This is someone who unlike you Lixy actually lived under Saddam. [/quote]

Was this friend’s father of yours in Baghdad at the time? It’s hard to believe he would be cheering bombs dropped on his head.

But anyway, it is true that at the beginning of the war - and despite the tremendous human cost - you could find a few Iraqis here and there who were hopeful and arguing that Saddam’s toppling was worth the sacrifice (as long as it wasn’t in their circle of course). However, today you’ll have a hard time finding an Iraqi who thinks that things are gonna get better. Remember that we are talking about a decade of sanctions plus 4 1/2 years of war.

By all means.

Nobody has ever argued that Saddam was anything less than a murderous thug as far as I know. The difference is that your friend’s father had probably enough resources to flee the country as soon as the war started, and didn’t suffer much from the consequences (I’m just guessing here, feel free to fill me in on the details).

What some well-off refugee or exiled elite don’t matter much on the ground in Iraq. Put it this way: If the US were to bomb Tehran tomorrow, I’m certain HH will invite over a bunch of Iranians to watch the thing on TV and manage to make a party out of it (with hats and the whole shebang). Now, imagine the reaction of the same people had they been under attack.

Do you think that Saddam was worth all these innocent lives (plus thousands of your troops)?

[quote]Sifu wrote:
lixy wrote:
pat36 wrote:
Who gives a shit, really?

Try Iraqis.

Some of my best friends are Caldean. They all are very happy to see Saddam gone.
[/quote]

Really?! I find that very hard to believe, given that the people who have probably suffered the most in Iraq since 2003 are its Christians, one of the most ancient communities of the faith in the world.

Labelled American collaborators, Iraqi Christians have been murdered and driven from their homes in huge numbers, and are undoubtedly disproportionately represented in the massive new Iraqi diaspora.

This isn’t an apology for Saddam, but I’m pretty sure Iraqi Christians were much better off under him than the chaotic failing state we (unintentionally) created.

Lixy I hope your 72 virgins all have penises.

[quote]hedo wrote:
Some Muslims believe the Jews did it. So do a few wackos in the US.
[/quote]

Huh, any idea why that is?

[i]BRIT HUME: Carl, what about this question of advanced knowledge of what was going to happen on 9/11? How clear are investigators that some Israeli agents may have known something?

CARL CAMERON: It’s very explosive information, obviously, and there’s a great deal of evidence that they say they have collected – none of it necessarily conclusive. It’s more when they put it all together. A bigger question, they say, is how could they not have know? Almost a direct quote…

…Investigators within the DEA, INS and FBI have all told Fox News that to pursue or even suggest Israeli spying… is considered career suicide.[/i]
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/61.html

Israelis detained on George Washington Bridge on 9/11 sue Department of Justice
http://www.kokhavivpublications.com/2004/israel/09/0409141656.html

Dan Rather fills in the rest of the story…

Car bomb found on George Washington Bridge
September 12, 2001
American security services overnight stopped a car bomb on the George Washington Bridge connecting New York and New Jersey.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/jpost.html

FIVE MEN DETAINED AS SUSPECTED CONSPIRATORS
New Jersey Bergen Record
September 12, 2001
Eight hours after terrorists struck Manhattan’s tallest skyscrapers, police in Bergen County detained five men who they said were found carrying maps linking them to the blasts.

sources close to the investigation said they found other evidence linking the men to the bombing plot. “There are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted,” the source said. “It looked like they’re hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park…”
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/forget.html

U.S. arrests of Israelis a mystery
Associated Press
December 17, 2001
Five of the Israelis came to the FBI’s attention after they were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. The FBI seized and developed their photos, one of which shows Sivan Kurzberg flicking a cigarette lighter in front of the smouldering ruins in an apparently celebratory gesture.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/arrested_israelis.html

Suspicious Activities Involving Israeli Art Students at DEA Facilities
http://cryptome.org/dea-il-spy.htm

Hey, I found the Saddam - 9/11 link…

Jewish Institute For National Security Affairs
September 13, 2001

This Goes Beyond Bin Laden

In response to the attack on September 11, 2001 JINSA calls on the United States to:

#1 - Halt all US purchases of Iraqi oil under the UN Oil for Food Program and to provide all necessary support to the Iraq National Congress, including direct American military support, to effect a regime change in Iraq.
http://www.jinsa.org/articles/print.html/documentid/1262

Israeli Subcommittee Faults Intelligence on Iraq
The subcommittee found that Israeli intelligence agencies used information from foreign intelligence services without recognizing that the other states obtained the data from Israel in the first place. The result, according to Steinitz, was that speculation was passed in circles “without any substantiation from the field.” However, Steinitz rejected suggestions that the Israeli agencies intentionally misled the United States and others in hopes of encouraging them to go to war against Iraq, a longtime enemy of Israel.
http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2004_05/newsbriefs.asp

Israel To U.S.: Don’t Delay Iraq Attack
Aug. 16, 2002
(CBS) Israel is urging U.S. officials not to delay a military strike against Iraq’s Saddam Hussein, an aide to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said Friday.

Israeli intelligence officials have gathered evidence that Iraq is speeding up efforts to produce biological and chemical weapons, said Sharon aide Ranaan Gissin.

“Any postponement of an attack on Iraq at this stage will serve no purpose,” Gissin said. “It will only give him (Saddam) more of an opportunity to accelerate his program of weapons of mass destruction…”

Also on Friday, President Bush said he knows there are “very intelligent people” who doubt the wisdom of attacking Iraq. [but what would they know, lol]

[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
hedo wrote:
Some Muslims believe the Jews did it. So do a few wackos in the US.

Huh, any idea why that is?

[i]BRIT HUME: Carl, what about this question of advanced knowledge of what was going to happen on 9/11? How clear are investigators that some Israeli agents may have known something?

CARL CAMERON: It’s very explosive information, obviously, and there’s a great deal of evidence that they say they have collected – none of it necessarily conclusive. It’s more when they put it all together. A bigger question, they say, is how could they not have know? Almost a direct quote…

…Investigators within the DEA, INS and FBI have all told Fox News that to pursue or even suggest Israeli spying… is considered career suicide.[/i]
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/61.html

Israelis detained on George Washington Bridge on 9/11 sue Department of Justice
http://www.kokhavivpublications.com/2004/israel/09/0409141656.html

Dan Rather fills in the rest of the story…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv2qsOcKG7w

Car bomb found on George Washington Bridge
September 12, 2001
American security services overnight stopped a car bomb on the George Washington Bridge connecting New York and New Jersey.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/jpost.html

FIVE MEN DETAINED AS SUSPECTED CONSPIRATORS
New Jersey Bergen Record
September 12, 2001
Eight hours after terrorists struck Manhattan’s tallest skyscrapers, police in Bergen County detained five men who they said were found carrying maps linking them to the blasts.

sources close to the investigation said they found other evidence linking the men to the bombing plot. “There are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted,” the source said. “It looked like they’re hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park…”
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/forget.html

U.S. arrests of Israelis a mystery
Associated Press
December 17, 2001
Five of the Israelis came to the FBI’s attention after they were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. The FBI seized and developed their photos, one of which shows Sivan Kurzberg flicking a cigarette lighter in front of the smouldering ruins in an apparently celebratory gesture.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/arrested_israelis.html

Suspicious Activities Involving Israeli Art Students at DEA Facilities
http://cryptome.org/dea-il-spy.htm[/quote]

The wacko representative from America weighs in.