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2nd Cycle: Test E - EQ - Tbol - Var


#1

Evening strangers,

Been lurking these forums for a while now and thought it'd be a good idea to post my planned cycle for 2nd opinions.

Would very much appreciate any and all thoughts.

Stats:
Age: 32
Height: 5"11
Weight: 86kg
Bf%: 13-14
Been training on and off since my teens.
On properly for the last 5.
Last cycle was test only and gains were very pleasing.

I promised myself it was only going to be that one cycle, but it turns out I was wrong

Anyways, here's what I have planned:

W 1 - 4 Tbol 60mg ed (kickstart)
W 1 - 12 Test e 500mg ew
W 1 - 10 eq 600mg ew
W 8 -14 var 60-80mg ed

AI
W 1 - 13 Adex 0.25 eod

Hcg 250ui 2x a week = 500ui ew

Pct
W 14 - 18 Nolva and clomid

Goals are lean gains and if lucky, a drop in some bodyfat.
Want gains that can be more or less kept after pct.

Don't want any water retention.
Do not want to blow up either, so surplus in calories will not be enormous.

Now onto questions:

  1. Is adding the var at the end overkill?
    Or am I better off just dropping the tbol and using the var at the start and beginning of the cycle?

  2. Someone told me aromasin is better after last shot, cause it works in a different manner to adex, is it better if I used aromasin for the last two weeks before pct?

  3. I'm going to start the hcg shots on week 1, question is when do I stop?
    A week before pct ensues?
    I've had conflicting advice on this and would like some clarity.

  4. Do I stop the eq 1 week or two weeks before the test?

Thanks for having a look at this thread and would very much appreciate your advice


#2

I was having second thoughts on the eq from the get go, cause its too short a cycle for it.
Am going to replace it with masteron e 600mg ew.


#3

[quote]Swat Valley wrote:
Evening strangers,

Been lurking these forums for a while now and thought it’d be a good idea to post my planned cycle for 2nd opinions.

Would very much appreciate any and all thoughts.

Stats:
Age: 32
Height: 5"11
Weight: 86kg
Bf%: 13-14
Been training on and off since my teens.
On properly for the last 5.
Last cycle was test only and gains were very pleasing.

I promised myself it was only going to be that one cycle, but it turns out I was wrong

Anyways, here’s what I have planned:

W 1 - 4 Tbol 60mg ed (kickstart)
W 1 - 12 Test e 500mg ew
W 1 - 10 eq 600mg ew
W 8 -14 var 60-80mg ed

AI
W 1 - 13 Adex 0.25 eod

Hcg 250ui 2x a week = 500ui ew

Pct
W 14 - 18 Nolva and clomid

Goals are lean gains and if lucky, a drop in some bodyfat.
Want gains that can be more or less kept after pct.

Don’t want any water retention.
Do not want to blow up either, so surplus in calories will not be enormous.

Now onto questions:

  1. Is adding the var at the end overkill?
    Or am I better off just dropping the tbol and using the var at the start and beginning of the cycle?

  2. Someone told me aromasin is better after last shot, cause it works in a different manner to adex, is it better if I used aromasin for the last two weeks before pct?

  3. I’m going to start the hcg shots on week 1, question is when do I stop?
    A week before pct ensues?
    I’ve had conflicting advice on this and would like some clarity.

  4. Do I stop the eq 1 week or two weeks before the test?

Thanks for having a look at this thread and would very much appreciate your advice[/quote]

  1. no and no

  2. wont make any real difference

  3. 1 week should be fine. hcg isn’t really necessary IMO

  4. 1 week should be fine. EQ sucks though. it aromatizes roughly half as much as test so ur adex dose may prove to be too low.

don’t get ur hopes up about “keepable gains”…really no such thing when cycling.


#4

Thank you very much for your response.

I was hoping you wouldn’t put me off the eq:(
Seems it’s such a controversial compound, people either love it or hate it.

I was leaning more towards masteron @400mg ew

I got a similar response to yours on another forum I posted in.

Thank you again for your advice, has definitely helped to clarify things for me:)

Warm regards,

Swat Valley