[quote]69THELEMEMT wrote:
First cycle was straight test-e 500mgs/wk which felt awesome!! gained some good size and strength.
(chest popped out like a balloon and biceps grew an extra egg) as was keeping to a good diet.
Second cycle which am just finishing now is
D-bol 30mgs/day
test e 250mgs/ e3d’s
First 4 weeks where great, gains where going well diet was good enough, felt ace with that D-bol feeling then disaster!!!
on to the 3rd cycle
things that I want from this cycle is size n strength and I was thinking a little cutting towards the end, this is what I was thinking
D-bol 50mgs ed wk 1-4
Deca 200mgs e3d’s wk 1-12
Test e 250mg’s e3d’s wk 1-13
Proviron 50mgs ed wk 1-12
Winstrol 50mgs ed wk 10-15
pct start end of wk 15
Also all my previous PCT has been clomid or nolva but am thinking after this cycle I may need some Hcg can anyone help on that?
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OK… i just wanted to check you had good plans and common sense before i went into detail about your cycle, and you seem ‘normal’ enough. (We have had a fuck load of twats here of late).
You want more muscle, and to improve body comp… (dont we all). Steroids are great for this, but the diet NEEDS to match the goals. It is simple in theory - eat more than you burn to gain weight, and less to lose it.
If you are wanting a little of both, as a relative beginner (to PED) this shouldn’t be an issue as you should still have quite profound results from AAS still.
You will need to eat a lot of protein, 1g-2g/lb bodyweight.
You mentioned you are not lanky, but used to be - suggesting you ate and trained your way out from that label. This leads me to believe that you may be best with a low GI approach to this cycle, giving plenty of carbs but controlling insulin.
You can eat a lot - and not restrict your calories - just don’t force food down… and also restrict any simple carbs that are from un-natural sources (so fruit, etc. are fine in abundance).
Eat plenty of fibre and eat low fat too. Carbs will be around 2g/lb bodyweight… this brings calories to around 4000k/day, without fats - so with any fats you get in will bring to around maintenance i’d expect (but with a very good ratio of macro’s which is important for body comp.)
This will result in being a ‘clean’ bulk, minimal fat gain - dependant on calories rather than quality of food - and a positive nitrogen balance giving high protein synthesis (eating protein regularly and supplementing leucine will ensure that fact).
Your cycle is decent, but i’d change a few things:
The dbol is too high IMO - your total dose of AAS in this cycle is as high as 2g!!! This is not just overkill, it is ridiculous for your experience. You have used 30mg of dbol and been happy. Leave it at that.
Deca ran without an anti-prolactin drug at this dose (~466mg/wk) WILL cause ED issues. I would always recommend a dopamine agonist with Nandrolone, from much personal experience - and i would also say that the dose is higher than need be anyway. As you weigh alot, 400mg is OK… but i would say 300mg is enough for a first time. This is also a fucking long time to run this highly suppressive and libido killing drug. I honestly never ran it longer than 8 weeks and would keep it to 6 for any cycle i design these days.
This is 583mg/wk… a decent dose. An AI IS needed with this especially with the addition of a progestin and dbol.
Recovery is longer the longer you stay on, and most find gains slow drastically after ~9 weeks.
I don’t know your reasons for adding this - please expand. Any benefits it has, stanazolol will provide, plus more. Choose one or the other. I like proviron personally, but i dislike Stan… so i am biased. Stan at least has strength results and is anabolic (apparently!) - Proviron is not.
It is not enough to lower estrogen as you may or may not believe, and its SHBG benefits are, as i recently understood for the first time, misunderstood.
It will give a hard, high androgen look to a physique however, but so with stan - plus all of the above.
This i assume is part of the ‘cutting’ part of the cycle. It simply doesn’t work like that. I swear. If you want the strength, fine - but don’t expect it to help you get leaner than any of the other compounds you are running may - it doesn’t aromatise and is DHT derivative - so will promote lipolysis, but if you are not cutting, you wont notice jack (unlike the mighty Tren).
It could help with the progesterone activity of the nandrolone, BUT not when you chose to include it IMO.
Which is…?
You wanna hear my version? I will do two - one with Nandrolone, and one without.
Wk1-8 Test E 500mg/wk (250mg 2x/wk)
Wk1-6 Deca 300mg/wk (150mg 2x/wk)
Wk1-6 Dbol 210mg/wk (30mg/day)
Wk1-6 Winny 350mg/wk (50mg/day)
Wk1-8 Caber 1mg/wk (0.5mg 2x/wk)
Wk1-8 Adex 0.5-0.75mg/day
PCT…
The Test E dose on day 1 is 650mg, and the Deca dose on day 1 is 400mg - this makes your cycle fully effective with less waiting. The Winstrol and Dianabol use is dependant on a Liver Function Test coming back proving a healthy liver.
The Caber is for the Prolactin increase from the Estrogen and also the Progesterone like activity from the Deca.
The Adex is to reduce the Estrogen level caused by every AAS other than the Winstrol.
Wk1-8 Test E 500mg/wk (250mg 2x/wk)
Wk1-6 Dbol 210mg/wk (30mg/day)
Wk1-6 Winny 350mg/wk (50mg/day)
Wk1-8 Adex 0.5-0.75mg/day
PCT…
This is a simple cycle that builds further on the cycles you have run… you must understand it isn’t necessary that every cycle must be higher in dosage than the next… just over time, gradually. Save your money.
For example, around 1 - 1.5g of androgens will see you good for at least 10 cycles IME.
If you run Deca, you will be glad of the caber. The winstrol would help too, so with the Deca cycle, if you aren’t comfortable with that many orals - drop the Winstrol to 175mg/wk (25mg/day)… this is only 55mg of orals a day and fine.
I am no doctor, just my opinion of course