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23g BD Syringes = Pain

I recently bought a box of them, thinking it would be much easier to get the propionate in and out of the syringe than with 25Gs. And it is. Problem is, 1 shot out of two, i end up hitting a nerve or something and my leg (i shoot in the thigh) stiffen. It’s like they weren’t sharp enough ; i can feel it pass through the layers of skin and fat and the muscle, similar to what one feel when piercing is own ear himself (if anyone can relate).

Last shot hurt so badly that my leg went by itself, like when you get hit just below the kneecap, and that the needle moved in a weird way in there (felt like it cut/ripped something). I’m now back to 25Gs, shooting in the other thigh. I have no choice, since i can barely apply pressure to all of the outter parrt of the right one. It’s been two days since then and today was the worse. I can barely bend or put weight on that damn leg without feeling a sharp pinch.

It’s not so much the pain that bother me. It’s the fact that my leg sort of give up, stop responding when i want to use it. I’m a construction worker, and today, i practically trip off a dozen of times. Not a good thing when you’re carrying four by eights or going down a ladder. I’d appreciate any insight, any advice on this, especially about what could be done to help that thing heal. Thanx.

I don’t know anything about your injury, sorry

But were you using the same needle for drawing and injecting?

I prefer injecting with 25g. But I use 20 or 23 to draw. In the future order syringes with 23g needles attached and order separate 25g needles for pinning. Use what causes less discomfort not what makes drawing easier. It may take a little longer to draw with a higher guage but if it causes less pain it’s not a difficult choice.

Forgot to add that i read Prisoner stickie on the subject. It’s just that i dont seem to have any edema. And that it really felt like i hit a nerve down there.

no - i always draw and inject with two needles. And yeah, i’m back to drawing with lower gauges, and injecting with higher.

not to sound patronising but which part of the thigh are you shooting into?
i.e outer quad, inner etc

I personally draw with an 18g and pin with a 23g, the last 2 days have been prop into the quads with no problems.

I hear ya though about work, had a different problem a while back with legs going from underneath me on occasion, and when your a manual worker, on ladders etc as you say, it can get funny.

Yeah, outer thigh should be no problem. New needles and everything eh? Shit, redraw and pin again in different area or site.

Testanabol - i always aim for outer quads. Plenty of room, and, until a few days, painless.

Growing Boy - DIdn’t even thought about that. I mean, i always injected prop into my quads. Seemed like the only area that could sustain shots day after day. But maybe i could give them a break, hit the glutes and delts once in a while.

[quote]Styx wrote:
Growing Boy - DIdn’t even thought about that. I mean, i always injected prop into my quads. Seemed like the only area that could sustain shots day after day. But maybe i could give them a break, hit the glutes and delts once in a while.[/quote]

You’ve got three delts heads mate on each side, I’m sure. The rear you’ll need a hand with.

I had a BEAUTY spurter from my quad the other day (250mg TRT omna doses these days with cialis)

It spurted a good foot(thats 12" or 30cm to our foreign friends/enemies! lol! j/k!. Anyway…

I use 29g for IV, 27g for delt and bi and i use 25g for quads glute and VG (does anyone use normal/rear glute anymore? just me? least vascular etc, least painful as largest single muscle in body… even newbs start with the quad as they can see it (going in at a vertical angle prolly, or going into the TFL or god knows where) and are surprised when the vastus lateralis while big hurts as a virgin muscle AND taking 2ml…

When injecting daily i use both bi’s, both delts, both glutes and both quads. left then right.
I have made progress on building scar tissue on my lagging bicep with daily 1ml prop injections.
I have tried and can easily do traps and lats and tried and didnt enjoy calf. too much crap in there - by crap i mean veins, arteries, capillaries, arterioles (i know they are everywhere but the Gastroc has a lot in a small area (like Japan) nerves and with the popleteal(sp?) node being there i imagine the lymphatic system would be easy to inject into(THAT’D give one test flu…!). Never understood injects into the soleus.
I guess it is a case of if its there climb it syndrome; which i certainly have.

Brook

I use a 23g for everything, and I have never had any problems, even when drawing and shooting with the same pin. I’m sort of wondering why you would all of a sudden be having a problem that, if you are following standard procedure, does not occur in 99% of cases.

Anyway, shooting into only the quads sounds pretty silly to me. VG is a wonderful site, glutes are not that hard to reach and provide almost zero problems, and delts are okay as well (stick with the posterior head, imo).

Where, exactly, are in injecting when you inject into quads? Please explain in detail.

Posterior delt? Surely you mean lateral Cortes?

J

I won’T argue guys. I even used to aim for glutes and delts on my past two enanthate cycles. I stuck with quads on prop, i’m not sure why anymore, thinking there was enough room there for daily shots. Not brilliant, but now that you pointed it out i know better. Thanxs.

As for where i inject Cortes : outer quads, upper third most of the time, a bit lower occasionnaly.

Oh : and what does VG mean? (sorry, i speak french)

[quote]Styx wrote:
I won’T argue guys. I even used to aim for glutes and delts on my past two enanthate cycles. I stuck with quads on prop, i’m not sure why anymore, thinking there was enough room there for daily shots. Not brilliant, but now that you pointed it out i know better. Thanxs.

As for where i inject Cortes : outer quads, upper third most of the time, a bit lower occasionnaly.

Oh : and what does VG mean? (sorry, i speak french)[/quote]

Ventrogluteal

There are decent videos available if you do a google search. Usually a nurse administering to a patient laying on his/her side. I use that site standing up and it works fine as long your weight is on the opposite leg. It is best site as far as accesibility/pain/volume goes.

Dorsalglute is more comfortable onnce the oil is in but it is more difficult because of the twisting involved when injecting.

[quote] Brook wrote:
Posterior delt? Surely you mean lateral Cortes?

J[/quote]

No. The rear head of the deltoid. Lateral is okay, too, but I get a lot of squirters and weird pressure related pain shooting into the lateral head. I stay away from the posterior completely.

I’m pretty sure I have my terms in order this time.