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22 Y/O Male Low T


#1

Hi guys. So I've been a fairly athletic guy for most my teenhood, but last year or so I got a bit lazy, I began chain smoking, heavy drinking and doing other stupid shit. I got a bit depressed, lost my 'drive' and basically for the last month have had issues in bed guys my age shouldn't.

I checked my hormones, I got the results of 8.9nmol/L for testo, range given is 12-31.9
SHBG 21, with range 17-56 and free testo 212.96pmol/L, range being 260-740.

Now beyond me being a sluggish guy with little drive, there's no way one could see I am low on test at first sight, I'm quite built naturally and hairy, so I don't know. I got some DAA, fenugreek and Tribulus.

I can get a prescription to get my T up, but not sure where to start or what my levels should be. I might get a DHEA script for starters, is that a good idea?


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#2

You need to find out what's wrong. Read the advice for new guys sticky and get all the labs posted there
Read lab testing sticky
Thyroid basics- no iodine yet get ur testing done


#3

This is standard advice maintained here:
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_trt/please_help_me_refine_standard_advice

There is a huge amount of knowledge in the stickies. Please study these. Start with the advice for new guys sticky.
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_trt/prototype_advice_for_new_guys
There is a lot to read there, so read carefully. There are suggestions for things that are root causes of low testosterone [T]. Low T is a symptom, not a root cause itself. But low T itself is a root cause of many of the symptoms one experiences. Note that other things cause the same spectrum of symptoms, so do not have T tunnel vision. Many docs are guilty of that and they only treat the symptom [low T] and do not attempt to find the real problem. If you go to a clinic that specializes in low T, you will get T tunnel vision for sure.

Post info about yourself as suggested in the above sticky. We need labs, almost all of your labs, not just hormones. We also need the lab ranges.

We see a very high number of thyroid issues in the population of guys that show up here. So there is a strong focus on that. Most people are iodine deficient to some degree. Your history of iodine intake from iodized salt and vitamins that list iodine is important. If you become iodine deficient, the RDA [recommended daily allowance] is inadequate for recovery of iodine stores. Please see the thyroid basics sticky for more information.
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_trt/thryroid_basics
You do not want to suffer from subclinical hypothyroidism or get Rx thyroid meds to treat iodine deficiency.

If you are injecting T or contemplating that, read the protocol for injections sticky.
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_trt/trt_protocol_for_injections

There are stickies for finding a TRT doc, estradiol [E2] and lab work.

Do not place your history or treatment details in the stickies! That belongs in your thread. Keep all of your posts in your thread so we can have a clear picture of your situation and needs.


#4

Ok guys I am going to post all the results I've gotten soon.

I just found out my tesosterone is at 239ng/dL... that's scary low isn't it?

I'm far more built and have manlier features than the majority of males my age but the low t symptoms have been progressing over the last year. It makes sense based on my symptoms of depression


#5

I wouldn't classify that as "scary low". It is very low, yes. Need more blood tests to see where to go from here. Fenugreek and Trib may bring your T up a few points, but that doesn't fix the problem. Low T is a symptom of another problem, not THE problem.

Get more blood tests in accordance with the blood test sticky. Specifically request the thyroid labs. Docs won't check for them on their own.

Your doc probably tested your LH and FSH. Post all labs here so we can take a look at them. At 22, unless you've had testicular cancer or taken a really hard fall on your testes, you most likely have secondary hypogonadism, which can be fixed in many cases.


#6

Also, if you haven't already done so, stop all that "stupid shit". You'll see a marked improvement in symptoms with diet and lifestyle changes. That's a good place to start.


#7

There are ways to raise the testosterone levels again. I don't know why yours got down, I guess it's because of all the bad habits you developed (smoking, drinking etc).
I can list some things for you

cold showers everyday - raises the level of testosterone
Get lean - Fat cells turn testosterone into estrogen (yuck..)
Take D-vitamin supplements (5.000-10.000i�µ/day)

These things has helped me get over 500pmol/L of free testosterone in recurring tests.
More info here: http://sexhormoneguide.com/

EDIT: These are all natural ways.. No fixy fixy chemical or hormone to take. (no offence against those supplements :wink:)

Regards Benjamin