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20 Day or 40 Day?


#1

Background first: I'm currently 240lbs at around 17% BF, 6'2". I have been training for 11 years. I was currently planning on doing two 40 day cycles with with 114 days between them,
1-10 Prop 50mg/d Wins Oral 50mg/d
11-20 Prop 50mg/d Wins Inject 50mg/d
21-30 Prop 50mg/d Wins Oral 50mg/d
31-40 Prop 50mg/d Wins Inject 50mg/d
1-80 Letro .5mg/d
41-80 Clomid 100mg/d

I am entertaining the idea of running four 20 day cycles with 64 days between each of them.

1-10 Prop 50mg/d Wins Oral 50mg/d
11-20 Prop 50mg/d Wins Inject 50mg/d
1-40 Letro .5mg/d
20-40 Clomid 100mg/d

The reason for alternating the Oral vs. injectable Winstrol I got from Author L Rea.

I plan on using short esters for avoiding sides, keeping gains (right now I only have access to Test C, Test P, Winstrol, Anadrol, and maybe Anavar.) I was wanting suggestions-pros/cons on which one of these routes would result in the best long-term gains, etc.

I have 66 weeks from now for my goal of gaining around 15-20lbs muscle (although I'll settle for more) and losing 25-30lb fat (around 8% bf), and was planning on starting no early than 14 weeks from now. These will also be my first cycles.


#2

first off, thank you for posting some history and some actual goals with a timeline.

if it were myself, with your goals in mind, and the AAS available to you, i'd run the following:

with 66 weeks to your goal:

-6 weeks on, 6 weeks off
- on weeks: prop @ 100 mg EOD/or 50 mg ED, var @ 40 mg ED (or if var is not available, winny @ 50 mg ED), letro @ 1 mg E3D
- off weeks: 2 weeks clomid @ 100 mg ED, 1 week @ 50 mg ED, Alpha Male & Methoxy-7 throughout.

my 2 cc's. good luck bro.


#3

I am also thinking about running Albuterol for 20 to 40 days post-cycle with psuedofed every 10 days for 5 days. Should I wait longer than 6 weeks post-cycle before starting a 2nd cycle because of cns fatigue? Also what might I expect from one of these cycles given nutrition and training are in order? One more question is my timeline is based on a wedding and honeymoon in St Lucia, how long would everyone suggest I be clean before - based on sides/recovery?


#4

Personally, I think 20 days is just way to short. Even with prop, your just going to get rolling and it will be time to come off again.

40 days, or 6 weeks might be a good place to start. I wouldn't take that much time off between cycles however. On something that short, 6 weeks off would be more than enough. Generally, time on should equal time off if you plan on running multiple cycles.

I would also not run any anti-e to begin with, just see how you respond. Keep the other stuff close by so if anything comes up you can jump on it.

Maybe try 2 6wk on, 6kwk off cycles with the prop and winny, although I don't like the stuff. In any case, keep us posted.

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