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Looking for a positive change I ponied up the dough to see an Anti-Aging specialist that a couple of my friends have had good success with… Did my labs 338 (T in the morning) 224 (T in the late afternoon) Vitamin D 22, HGH 485. HGH is good and started taking supps for Vitamin D.

I am an active crossfit(3-4 times per week) and surf frequently(whenever there are waves).

I went thru the sticky’s and paid particularly close attention to the “TRT: Protocol For Injections”… My doctor prescribed Test-C(250 mg/ .25cc every 3 days) and HCG(.25cc every 3 days). Seeing my doc’s prescription vs. the TRT Sticky (100mg weekly which would be .10 cc) is my doc seriously overdosing me or is it due to my lower levels of T to get me going. Also, based on information I read here I asked about SC injections on T and he said he’s never heard of that(huge surprise) but wasn’t opposed… He asked to see some info on it.

On the positive sides, my doctor just called my local Rite-Aid for my rx’s to be picked up and my local Rite-Aid thru me a nice discount.

Thanks in advance for the help and hopefully I am on the right track.

age- 40
height- 5’9
weight -182
waist- 33
describe body and facial hair- medium
did to grow fast or slow and steady as a teen-slow and steady
testes ache or hurt? ever? - no
mood - a little down
depression- very slight(bad work climate doesn’t help though)
libido - decent, good erections when go time
get cold easily? a change? - no
dry skin, brittle nails? - no
use iodized salt? - a little
eat much sea food? - yes
exposure to chemicals? -no
ever used hair loss drugs? - no
Rx and OTC drugs -baby aspirin mornings

So you get lots of sun exposure and Vit-D3 was low. A good example.

You need to ask about that T dose. Maybe he wanted .25cc to be 25ml.

So you may be getting more iodine from fish than normal. You can front load for a couple of days then you might consider 100mg/week until you get clarification. One can always increase T later, but having to reduce T might feel uncomfortable.

Until you get a handle on E2 with labs, you may want to avoid the strong possibility that a higher T dose may create E2 problems. I do not see you talking about E2 or AI.

Can you get and post your labs?

Are you injecting hGH?

Your math is wrong, or you made a typo. If your test is 250 mg/mL, and you are taking .25 cc (which is .25 mL) every three days, you are taking ABOUT 125 mg/week. This is not an overdose.

It looks like this to me:

250 mg/ml * .25 ml/dose * 3dose/week = 187.5 mg/week.

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
Your math is wrong, or you made a typo. If your test is 250 mg/mL, and you are taking .25 cc (which is .25 mL) every three days, you are taking ABOUT 125 mg/week. This is not an overdose. [/quote]

This makes sense then, as I did the math wrong. Take 250 mg/ml and multiply by .25 cc/ml and you are correct, I am at 62.5 mg/shot and 125 mg/week… Thanks for pointing that out, appreciate the correction! I am guessing it’s a good idea to split this into 2 shots too as it should balance my hormone levels much better too.

You said every three days, now 62.5 X 2 = 125

Injecting T twice a week and hCG three times per week gets messy. It might be easier to inject T and hCG at the same time three times per week. You can redo the math.

[quote]KSman wrote:
So you get lots of sun exposure and Vit-D3 was low. A good example.

You need to ask about that T dose. Maybe he wanted .25cc to be 25ml.

So you may be getting more iodine from fish than normal. You can front load for a couple of days then you might consider 100mg/week until you get clarification. One can always increase T later, but having to reduce T might feel uncomfortable.

Until you get a handle on E2 with labs, you may want to avoid the strong possibility that a higher T dose may create E2 problems. I do not see you talking about E2 or AI.

Can you get and post your labs?

Are you injecting hGH?[/quote]

My doctor was confused on my Vit D being so low as I am in the sun quite a bit and pretty tan. He was talking about different possibilities of ‘stuff in our water supplies’ and other environmental factors. He did tell me to cut back on my fish intake.

I really don’t understand the E2 or AI well enough to address, I will do more studying on that. I am doing a follow up blood test in 3 or 4 weeks and I will request my labs I just got and post those as well.

Not using HGH, my levels ‘appeared’ to be ok and the price is pretty heavy for me right now. Not opposed but my T levels are what got my attention.

Thanks for reviewing my info responding, it is greatly appreciated.

[quote]KSman wrote:
You said every three days, now 62.5 X 2 = 125

Injecting T twice a week and hCG three times per week gets messy. It might be easier to inject T and hCG at the same time three times per week. You can redo the math.[/quote]

Sorry, my mistake on typing… sloppy on my part. I just went and grabbed my gear and will read off the script directions exactly; it’s exactly as KSman suggested by the way.

Test-Cypionate 1/2 cc 2 times per week at 200 mg/ml Watson Labs
HGC 250iu twice per week at 140 mg Mannitol
Vit D3 10,000 iu daily

[quote]KSman wrote:
So you get lots of sun exposure and Vit-D3 was low. A good example.

You need to ask about that T dose. Maybe he wanted .25cc to be 25ml.

So you may be getting more iodine from fish than normal. You can front load for a couple of days then you might consider 100mg/week until you get clarification. One can always increase T later, but having to reduce T might feel uncomfortable.

Until you get a handle on E2 with labs, you may want to avoid the strong possibility that a higher T dose may create E2 problems. I do not see you talking about E2 or AI.

Can you get and post your labs?

Are you injecting hGH?[/quote]

I called my doctor today and he said ‘no’ to prescribing any E2 or AI… After reading a ton about it, I feel like it’s a necessity. Damn!

Do labs on your own and if you cannot get proper medical care, self medicate with anastrozole.