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1st Cycle, Oral-Only Plan

Hello to all.
My name is Matt and I was hoping for some advice. I have been reading the forums for many weeks now and finally decided to post.
Now my first cycle will be a oral only (I know, I know much better to run with injectables for keeping the gains.

My second cycle will be injectable, probably with a 4 week 40mg ed dbol kicker) and just wanted experienced peoples views on my plan before I go ahead with it.

So first things first, stats:
Age 24
Height 6ft 2
Weight 190lbs
Around 15%� 
I have been training on and off for about 8 years in the past mainly to keep fit and add a little muscle. About a month ago decided I wanted to get “bulked up” so changed my diet around to add more carbs and protein upped my exercise weights and lowered the reps. All in all it works fairly well. But Ive adopted a go big or go home approach which is why I am here.

So here is my intake plan while on cycle. 5000 calories per day, 380-400g protein (maybe overkill?) per day and lots and lots of water.
The supplements I will be taking are total protein, essential amino acids, creatine and probably a dose or 2 of hyperbolic mass from usn which I got for free from a friend. Along with these I will be taking on milk thisle and cod liver oil and multivitamins.

Now down to my cycle. I will be going for an 8 week cycle using both dbol and anavar as follows:
Dbol weeks 1-5 40mg ed
Anavar weeks 4-5 50mg ed and weeks 6-8 70mg ed (too low?)
Havnt decided if I am going to use aromasin as ai weeks 7-8 as I dont know if its needed or not.
Pct I will be using nolvadex and clomid over 4 weeks as follows:
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50 (maybe 2nd week 50?)

Anyway thats my plan. All input is welcome and any help/advice is greatly appreciated!

Rethink your plan this time try researching and thinking.

[quote]Reed wrote:
Rethink your plan this time try researching and thinking.[/quote]
I have done research but am still very new to this, what is wrong with the plan? Can you please elaborate so I can ammend it? I want to get this right.

[quote]shtsangiggles wrote:

[quote]Reed wrote:
Rethink your plan this time try researching and thinking.[/quote]
I have done research but am still very new to this, what is wrong with the plan? Can you please elaborate so I can ammend it? I want to get this right.[/quote]

Don’t waste your time and money and health because you’re too afraid of needles.

Oral only cycles don’t do jack, you will make some gains, get some bloat, come off and lose it all, all of it. 100%.

First cycle all you need is test, do 10 weeks of Test E and if you really really have your mind set on doing orals, chuck some dbol in at the start.

Again, there is absolutely no reason to be doing oral only, except if you’re afraid of needles, and if you’re not man enough to pin you’re not man enough to be on steroids. Simple as that.

Also at 6’2" and 190lbs I wouldn’t even be considering a cycle. Especially after 8 years. Get your diet and training in check first.

5000 carbs a day?

Thanks for the input. I am leaning more and more towards skipping the 1st plan and starting 2nd instead (test e with dbol kicker)

[quote]Lift-up-put-down wrote:
5000 carbs a day? [/quote]
Sry ment calories.

[quote]Tchaikovsky wrote:

[quote]shtsangiggles wrote:

[quote]Reed wrote:
Rethink your plan this time try researching and thinking.[/quote]
I have done research but am still very new to this, what is wrong with the plan? Can you please elaborate so I can ammend it? I want to get this right.[/quote]

Don’t waste your time and money and health because you’re too afraid of needles.

Oral only cycles don’t do jack, you will make some gains, get some bloat, come off and lose it all, all of it. 100%.

First cycle all you need is test, do 10 weeks of Test E and if you really really have your mind set on doing orals, chuck some dbol in at the start.

Again, there is absolutely no reason to be doing oral only, except if you’re afraid of needles, and if you’re not man enough to pin you’re not man enough to be on steroids. Simple as that.

Also at 6’2" and 190lbs I wouldn’t even be considering a cycle. Especially after 8 years. Get your diet and training in check first. [/quote]

This is exactly what my post said… Except in like 9 words.

[quote]Reed wrote:

This is exactly what my post said… Except in like 9 words.[/quote]

I elaborated for him

Thanks for the feedback guys. After you replies I have decided to run 500mg test e 12 week cycle with a 4week dbol kicker at 40mg ed

[quote]shtsangiggles wrote:
Thanks for the feedback guys. After you replies I have decided to run 500mg test e 12 week cycle with a 4week dbol kicker at 40mg ed[/quote]

1000x better idea my friend you will not regret it and kudos for not crying like a little punk when we gave you a little hell.

See now this is how most threads should go