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12 Weeks Test Prop, Anavar/ Missing Ancillary


#1

It's my 1st cycle after 3 years of training I was a real fat ass (140Kg 'Bignumber' bf%) and now know I'm pretty much good (95Kg 15-17 bf%) but I want to see how far I can really go that's why I chose to go on gear.

Diet and training had always been in check.

I learned everything mostly from this forum, I'm not an expert so please bare with me.

Cycle : 1-12 Test P 125mg EOD
5-12 Anavar 80mg ED

Now MAJOR issue I'm having is the AIs and stuff: Nolva, Clomid, Adex...
I live in lebanon and I can't find a lot of this stuff and I can't order anything online.

So for now I'm running 1.25mg Letro EOD will taper down week 11 and 12 to 1.25 E3D.

For PCT 3 Days after last jab : Hopefully I'll find some clomid and nolva
Clomid : 50/50/25/25
Nolva : 40/40/20/20

Adex cannot be found for now and HCG (I don't really know if it's critical for this cycle). Most of the ppl and bodybuilders I asked here they don't know what's HCG so I think it's permanently unavailable.

Any recommendations ? is PCT fine ? Over fine?
Thanks Guys.


#2

Started a cycle HOPING to find pct before the end…

Bravo


#3

yes, your imaginary pct looks good


#4

What happens if you can’t find nolva or clomid?


#5

wait, so you have no PCT, and you’re asking if your PCT is ok?

Well, no. It’s not ok. It doesn’t exist.


#6

[quote]Yogi wrote:
wait, so you have no PCT, and you’re asking if your PCT is ok?

Well, no. It’s not ok. It doesn’t exist.[/quote]

come on just use your imagination yogi


#7

[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:
wait, so you have no PCT, and you’re asking if your PCT is ok?

Well, no. It’s not ok. It doesn’t exist.[/quote]

come on just use your imagination yogi[/quote]

Hahaha come on guys :confused:
The thing is when I asked my dealer about them he told he’ll get me some (Nolva, Clomid) and then he told me if you want there’s letro to use it on cycle. So what I’m saying is he didn’t have any nolva, clomid on hand, so neither do I. Unless I see it in my hands it remains non existing.


#8

Okay so guys you just made me nervous, I called the guy and he told me the clomid, nolva and var are ready, but no HCG found.

So I’ll continue letro 1.25mg EOD to 1.25 E3D until week 12.
and PCT 3 days after inj as mentioned in OP.

till now no joints issues, no libido issues, felling happy and positive as always until I start training.

Sorry for the misunderstanding in the OP but you know I can’t order stuff online and not everything is available like anywhere in the world.

Thanks guys.


#9

you feel happy and positive until you start training? why?


#10

I try to think about everything that makes me mad, and get aggressive the whole workout.
It works like a charm for me


#11

[quote]albeast wrote:
I try to think about everything that makes me mad, and get aggressive the whole workout.
It works like a charm for me [/quote]

Wow how childish

And ya you’re an idiot for starting a cycle without having everything on hand


#12

Isn’t 1.25mg of letro kind of alot?


#13

[quote]albeast wrote:
I try to think about everything that makes me mad, and get aggressive the whole workout.
It works like a charm for me [/quote]

me too. When I’m training I’m like “gaah cold feet! People not holding open doors! When my chip breaks off in the dip! My dog soiled the rug! Forgot I’d left washing in the machine and now it smells like damp so I have to rewash it! When I forget to do my meal prep til right before I’m going to bed so I have to stay up late cooking rice and shit like that! When people persistently ask me what’s wrong and nothing’s wrong but they keep asking me and eventualy that pisses me off so all of a sudden I AM pissed off even though I wasn’t originially but they don’t believe me because they see that I’m pissed off now which makes them think they were right the whole time!”

that’s how I smash PRs


#14

[quote]nooberific wrote:
Isn’t 1.25mg of letro kind of alot?[/quote]

yeah it is, actually. I’d half that


#15

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]albeast wrote:
I try to think about everything that makes me mad, and get aggressive the whole workout.
It works like a charm for me [/quote]

me too. When I’m training I’m like “gaah cold feet! People not holding open doors! When my chip breaks off in the dip! My dog soiled the rug! Forgot I’d left washing in the machine and now it smells like damp so I have to rewash it! When I forget to do my meal prep til right before I’m going to bed so I have to stay up late cooking rice and shit like that! When people persistently ask me what’s wrong and nothing’s wrong but they keep asking me and eventualy that pisses me off so all of a sudden I AM pissed off even though I wasn’t originially but they don’t believe me because they see that I’m pissed off now which makes them think they were right the whole time!”

that’s how I smash PRs[/quote]
This is funny shit hahahah


#16

[quote]nooberific wrote:
Isn’t 1.25mg of letro kind of alot?[/quote]

kinda…

typically guys run it lower than that, but it also takes a while to build up to stable blood levels in the body. i suspect EOD administration makes that take even longer…


#17

[quote]BUDs wrote:

[quote]albeast wrote:
I try to think about everything that makes me mad, and get aggressive the whole workout.
It works like a charm for me [/quote]

Wow how childish

And ya you’re an idiot for starting a cycle without having everything on hand[/quote]

I don’t really care about your opinion about my mentality when training, I told you it works for me so I’m fine.
Again, I can’t have everything on hand, that’s how everyone here do it. Not good idea, I know but no other option. Thanks for your respect anyway :slight_smile:


#18

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:

[quote]nooberific wrote:
Isn’t 1.25mg of letro kind of alot?[/quote]

kinda…

typically guys run it lower than that, but it also take a s while to build up to stable blood levels in the body. i suspect EOD administration makes that take even longer…[/quote]

Well, it’s a tiny pill of 2.5mg, I tried to split it to quarters, it smashed.


#19

[quote]albeast wrote:

[quote]BUDs wrote:

[quote]albeast wrote:
I try to think about everything that makes me mad, and get aggressive the whole workout.
It works like a charm for me [/quote]

Wow how childish

And ya you’re an idiot for starting a cycle without having everything on hand[/quote]

I don’t really care about your opinion about my mentality when training, I told you it works for me so I’m fine.
Again, I can’t have everything on hand, that’s how everyone here do it. Not good idea, I know but no other option. Thanks for your respect anyway :slight_smile:
[/quote]

you’re not seriously going to start your cycle without your SERMs?


#20

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]albeast wrote:

[quote]BUDs wrote:

[quote]albeast wrote:
I try to think about everything that makes me mad, and get aggressive the whole workout.
It works like a charm for me [/quote]

Wow how childish

And ya you’re an idiot for starting a cycle without having everything on hand[/quote]

I don’t really care about your opinion about my mentality when training, I told you it works for me so I’m fine.
Again, I can’t have everything on hand, that’s how everyone here do it. Not good idea, I know but no other option. Thanks for your respect anyway :slight_smile:
[/quote]

you’re not seriously going to start your cycle without your SERMs?[/quote]

I got everything for the next 2 weeks today. And yes I can’t just buy the whole cycle at once and just stack it at home. only ppl with big balls with the government do that.