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10wk Test E Big Frontload

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#1

Hi all. Planning to start my second cycle next year. My first cycle was 12 weeks of 500mg test e with dbol run at weeks 12-14 at 60mg. I saw great gains.

So this time i would like to do a test e only cycle. Here’s what ive got

WK 1 (Frontload) : 1500mg 3ml tues / 3ml Fri
Wk 2 -10 : 750mg 1.5ml tues / 1.5ml Fri

PCT will be: nolvadex for 4 weeks- 40/40/20/20
and Clomid for 4 weeks- 100/100/50/50

Can you see anything wrong with proposed cycle?

Also im considering running HCG, i didn’t last time, but i’ve been told you recover faster if you run HCG from the start? Are there any other reasons i should? The only thing putting me off is the injection frequency…

Thanks

#2

Hello;I have trained and competed in the past.I have used testosterone Enanthate. The cycle you propose is o.k. keep it simple !! Most people take an anti estrogen drug like Arimedex at 1mg per day,or two. the pct protocal calls for either Clomid,or novadex,not both ,plus hcg to keep your testcles from atrophy.Some people run the hcg along with the testosterone.

As for the Dianabol,that’s usually in the beginning,but i guess it doesant make that much difference. The only thing is oral steroids arwe liver Toxic.The injectable is Liver friendly,i know.I have used it for 20year’s on and off with no problem’s all the best john

#3

[quote]johnny k53 wrote:
Hello;I have trained and competed in the past.I have used testosterone Enanthate. The cycle you propose is o.k. keep it simple !! Most people take an anti estrogen drug like Arimedex at 1mg per day,or two. the pct protocal calls for either Clomid,or novadex,not both ,plus hcg to keep your testcles from atrophy.Some people run the hcg along with the testosterone.

As for the Dianabol,that’s usually in the beginning,but i guess it doesant make that much difference. The only thing is oral steroids arwe liver Toxic.The injectable is Liver friendly,i know.I have used it for 20year’s on and off with no problem’s all the best john[/quote]

Huh? Adex at 1mg a day? Seems a bit much even for 750mg a week.

Nolva and clomid can absolutely be used together for pct.

Rice, I like the cycle, that is a heavy frontload for sure well for me it would be. I would run hcg if it were me and run an AI for sure I would probably go .5mg EOD and go from there, adjusting the dose need be.

#4

BUDs x 2 :slight_smile:

#5

[quote]BUDs wrote:

Huh? Adex at 1mg a day? Seems a bit much even for 750mg a week.

Nolva and clomid can absolutely be used together for pct.

Rice, I like the cycle, that is a heavy frontload for sure well for me it would be. I would run hcg if it were me and run an AI for sure I would probably go .5mg EOD and go from there, adjusting the dose need be.
[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing, with such a high test dose i think i would run my adex at .5mg, although i began to feel shitty when i had it that high last cycle. Maybe the extra test will counteract this feeling?

Yes after some more reading im definatley going to go for hcg with it.

Have you ever frontloaded test e before?

Thanks for replies

#6

good looking cycle. You’ll be the biggest baddest motherfucker in Caithness!

#7

[quote]riceERYDAY wrote:

[quote]BUDs wrote:

Huh? Adex at 1mg a day? Seems a bit much even for 750mg a week.

Nolva and clomid can absolutely be used together for pct.

Rice, I like the cycle, that is a heavy frontload for sure well for me it would be. I would run hcg if it were me and run an AI for sure I would probably go .5mg EOD and go from there, adjusting the dose need be.
[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing, with such a high test dose i think i would run my adex at .5mg, although i began to feel shitty when i had it that high last cycle. Maybe the extra test will counteract this feeling?

Yes after some more reading im definatley going to go for hcg with it.

Have you ever frontloaded test e before?

Thanks for replies[/quote]

I said .5mg EOD just because your running 750mg a week, you may need more or less.

When I frontload test e I’ve always just done 1 gram the first week. I’ve never done more than that

#8

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
good looking cycle. You’ll be the biggest baddest motherfucker in Caithness![/quote]

That’s the plan ! Haha how’s yours going? I’m sure I recently read a thread of yours stating you started…

#9

[quote]BUD

I said .5mg EOD just because your running 750mg a week, you may need more or less.

When I frontload test e I’ve always just done 1 gram the first week. I’ve never done more than that[/quote]

Yeah il play about with the AI dosage and see what works.

Yeah originally I was going to go for 1 gram but I’ve read your front load should be double your normal dose, and after upping this cycles dose from my previous 500mg /wk one, I just doubled the 750mg dose to keep it simple.

I will definatley start a log for this cycle.

#10

[quote]riceERYDAY wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
good looking cycle. You’ll be the biggest baddest motherfucker in Caithness![/quote]

That’s the plan ! Haha how’s yours going? I’m sure I recently read a thread of yours stating you started…[/quote]

yeah man, running prop/NPP/var. Wish I’d run the NPP a little higher but I’ll know for next time. It’s only my second cycle so I’m still learning.

that’s a man size dose of test you’re running, be sure and keep a log to let us know how you get on.

#11

[quote]rds63799 wrote:

[quote]riceERYDAY wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
good looking cycle. You’ll be the biggest baddest motherfucker in Caithness![/quote]

That’s the plan ! Haha how’s yours going? I’m sure I recently read a thread of yours stating you started…[/quote]

yeah man, running prop/NPP/var. Wish I’d run the NPP a little higher but I’ll know for next time. It’s only my second cycle so I’m still learning.

that’s a man size dose of test you’re running, be sure and keep a log to let us know how you get on.
[/quote]

Sweet! I was conflicted between test p or test e for this cycle, ended up with E because of pin frequency and simplicity. Will subscribe to your log!

Sounds good I think I might try deca at some point, the "healing " properties , any comment on that?

Haha yep, I like the cheapness / simplicity of it haha

#12

I’m not really logging, just using my anavar thread to whine about how much the pumps and cramps are hurting! The cycle’s going well though, bodyweight is up, strength is up, haven’t gained any fat.

As for the supposed healing properties of Deca, I can’t say I’ve noticed any… I dunno, I’m only running 350mg/week so maybe you need to go a bit higher.

I chose prop for this cycle because I figured if I was pinning the NPP eod I might as well do the same for the test. Between the test, NPP and hcg it’s a fuckload of pinning though

#13

Just a word of caution for frontloading: Do a 1cc test pin a few days before ‘beginning’ to assess your tolerance to the brand/concentration of gear your using.

I would love to tell you all how I found out I am allergic to Ethyl Oleate, but it would be rather embarassing lol. Just trust me when I say this is from experience

Cheers,
-PTD

#14

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I’m not really logging, just using my anavar thread to whine about how much the pumps and cramps are hurting! The cycle’s going well though, bodyweight is up, strength is up, haven’t gained any fat.

As for the supposed healing properties of Deca, I can’t say I’ve noticed any… I dunno, I’m only running 350mg/week so maybe you need to go a bit higher.

I chose prop for this cycle because I figured if I was pinning the NPP eod I might as well do the same for the test. Between the test, NPP and hcg it’s a fuckload of pinning though[/quote]

Well sounds like its going perfectly, minus your cramps haha.
Im not very clued up on deca mostly because ive heard its very suppressive and have avoided it… so I’ve no idea what the dosing protocol is like.

I was going to say surley thats a hell of a lot of pins every week what with the regular test p / NPP and hcg! do you ever mix the deca+test in one syringe to cut down on total pins?

[quote]PAINTRAINDave wrote:
Just a word of caution for frontloading: Do a 1cc test pin a few days before ‘beginning’ to assess your tolerance to the brand/concentration of gear your using.

I would love to tell you all how I found out I am allergic to Ethyl Oleate, but it would be rather embarassing lol. Just trust me when I say this is from experience

Cheers,
-PTD
[/quote]

Never thought about that, i am choosing a new source/brand this time so i might just do that !
hahah i will take your word from it and heed your warning!!

#15

[quote]PAINTRAINDave wrote:
Just a word of caution for frontloading: Do a 1cc test pin a few days before ‘beginning’ to assess your tolerance to the brand/concentration of gear your using.

I would love to tell you all how I found out I am allergic to Ethyl Oleate, but it would be rather embarassing lol. Just trust me when I say this is from experience

Cheers,
-PTD

[/quote]

Haha now I wanna know!

#16

Too Rice: All the commentary is Bro-science. The Know it all that said you have to run Clomid and noladex is just a kid? do your own research and come to your own conclusions.We trained back in the day with no clomid,or noladex and nobody was wineing.Ask the guy why you have too use both? and ask him for a medical reason.The problem with Bro-Science is all those fool’s follow the same protocal. they take drug’s for symtom’s they don’t have.People take all kinds of medications,do you think they take every conceivable side affect drug. You can buy a book and learn. all the best john

#17

[quote]riceERYDAY wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I’m not really logging, just using my anavar thread to whine about how much the pumps and cramps are hurting! The cycle’s going well though, bodyweight is up, strength is up, haven’t gained any fat.

As for the supposed healing properties of Deca, I can’t say I’ve noticed any… I dunno, I’m only running 350mg/week so maybe you need to go a bit higher.

I chose prop for this cycle because I figured if I was pinning the NPP eod I might as well do the same for the test. Between the test, NPP and hcg it’s a fuckload of pinning though[/quote]

Well sounds like its going perfectly, minus your cramps haha.
Im not very clued up on deca mostly because ive heard its very suppressive and have avoided it… so I’ve no idea what the dosing protocol is like.

I was going to say surley thats a hell of a lot of pins every week what with the regular test p / NPP and hcg! do you ever mix the deca+test in one syringe to cut down on total pins?

[/quote]

yeah I’ve no complaints. Was a little worried about Deca dick and spent an ungodly amount of time trying to track down caber (no one I know had even heard of it!) but I’ve not even ended up needing it. It’ll keep for next cycle I suppose.

The deca suppression stories worried me a little, but it’s certainly not anything I’ve noticed so far. I guess PCT will be when I really find out how bad it can get but meh, NPP clears loads faster than deca so I think it’ll be alright. I’ve got a few emergency viagra just in case…

As for the pinning, I’ve had to add delts into the mix, so I’m now pinning glutes and delts. I combine the prop and npp when I pin my glutes but split it up when doing my shoulders as it’s too much oil for my puny delts to handle. It works out that you hit the same site every 6 days which isn’t really that much worse than once a week like if you were doing 2 glute injections a week. Fucking hate pinning my shulders though…

#18

[quote]johnny k53 wrote:
Too Rice: All the commentary is Bro-science. The Know it all that said you have to run Clomid and noladex is just a kid? do your own research and come to your own conclusions.We trained back in the day with no clomid,or noladex and nobody was wineing.Ask the guy why you have too use both? and ask him for a medical reason.The problem with Bro-Science is all those fool’s follow the same protocal. they take drug’s for symtom’s they don’t have.People take all kinds of medications,do you think they take every conceivable side affect drug. You can buy a book and learn. all the best john[/quote]

I never said you HAVE to run both, you claimed that you can’t run both together so I corrected you and said you CAN run both. Show me one medical reason why you can’t use both? Your method is the definition of bro science. Your yesteryears of AAS use is obsolete.

Rice, don’t listen to this guy he is a washed up bber from the 70s that never made it. One post he says he’s against AAS use then in another post he said he’s pro AAS and now he’s spilling out his bro science on AAS. You CAN use both clomid and Nolva or you can use one or the other. So I guess the hundreds of people on this forum are fools for using AIs and using clomid/Nolva for pct.

#19

Experience is never an excuse to stop learning, and the wheels of science keep on spinning. You sound like my doctor.

Between the medical literature, the anecdotes, and the increased ability to keep gains, I can not believe what you are saying.

Its not like he wants to run Slin and IGF-1 on his first cycle, he wants to run a fucking SERM are your telling him off?

Jesus Christ…

#20

[quote]johnny k53 wrote:
Too Rice: All the commentary is Bro-science. The Know it all that said you have to run Clomid and noladex is just a kid? do your own research and come to your own conclusions.We trained back in the day with no clomid,or noladex and nobody was wineing.Ask the guy why you have too use both? and ask him for a medical reason.The problem with Bro-Science is all those fool’s follow the same protocal. they take drug’s for symtom’s they don’t have.People take all kinds of medications,do you think they take every conceivable side affect drug. You can buy a book and learn. all the best john[/quote]

John, from my years of research, reading countless studies, experiences ect ect , i have learned that it pretty much goes without saying to use clomid and nolva post cycle. Granted you can use one or the other, but the evidence suggests that both together work better. If you don’t and get good results then thats cool, but id rather not take any chances!